Recently Musk and Rogan discussed the overuse of mechanical ventilation in Covid. Although Elon "builds life support systems" he knows little about mechanical ventilation in acute respiratory failure.
I think there must be widely different factual truths that people will have experienced on the topic of ventilators - depending on the hospital where the patient or doctor was.
Tragically there seems to be no question that there were hospitals that were routinely blowing people’s lungs out with ventilators set very high. There’s so much testimony about that, plus testimony about misuse of the sedatives. Think about Nurse Erin’s testimony from Elmwood Hospital. Also, here in NY, one of the world epicenters for covid deaths, I’m right near Maimonides hospital, from where many, many horror stories emanated. I know that a man in our community walked in on his own two feet on the Sabbath in his festive clothing, and hours later was in a body bag. What is that, if not murder by ventilator or sedatives? Something horrible was going on there, no question. The whole community came to realize that Maimonides was NOT a safe place for a covid patient, as an inordinate number were never making it out. There were even stories of people being unplugged from ventilators on Saturdays, when many staff were off. It was a death trap. I believe that a huge death count was purposely created in NYC in order to hype worldwide fear. I can connect you to people here who can testify about what was going on, if you want to investigate.
Brucha - I can only speak to what I observed in the 6 hospitals and ICU's I worked in during Covid. I also trained the ICU Director at Elmhurst (not Elmwood) and she knows how to manage ventilators expertly. Elmhurst was a disaster scene that I know. However, you should know that, both myself and several of my colleagues have been serving as expert witnesses in a number of cases where hospitals and doctors are being accused of immense amounts of malfeasance, some of them highly public cases, and the reality of what happened in most of the cases is stunningly different from what was being portrayed in the media and especially social media. This is not to say terrible care or neglect did not happen, but when you are able to carefully review the facts and all the facts of each case, often a very different picture emerges. But not always. I am currently an expert in a case where the quality of care literally defies belief.
Hi Dr. Kory, one question: these "cases where hospitals and doctors are being accused of immense amounts of malfeasance, some of them highly public cases, and the reality of what happened in most of the cases is stunningly different from what was being portrayed in the media and especially social media"- are they related to COVID, or something else? Because the media narrative that I am overwhelmingly familiar with is that hospitals and doctors did a heroic, near-perfect job with COVID, and all the deaths are just because COVID is such a "horrible, deadly disease". In fact, I am not aware of any highly public cases of alleged malfeasance related to COVID (unless of course, they are going after a doctor who gave ivermectin or other alternative treatment, etc.). If you don't mind, can you give some examples of which highly public cases you are referring to?
They are all covid related. The hospitals certainly did NOT do anywhere close to a perfect job but many/most providers and nurses worked their assess off to insane degrees in often chaotic surges of patients. Unfortunately, I cannot give details on those cases.. yet.
My dad went to the hospital to get monoclonal antibodies because my mom had COVID. They declined him these antibodies for not being jabbed. They admitted him, immediately put on a catheter ( why?), started Remdesivir immediately. He was isolated, starved, dehydrated, hands tied down, left in bed, phone put I. His Janet pocket, no TV, taken off normal daily meds, refused to give vitamins, vitamins, put on a high flo bipap, sedatives, end of life protocol he was murdered in 12 days. One time we checked in with Dr and she said sarcastically .. “welll.. he’s alive”. After they murdered him and stole his wedding ring we were “allowed” to see him and the “nurse” said .. “ too bad he wasn’t vaccinated he’d still be alive”. How the unjabbed get “ treated” And btw when I got his medical records he tested NEGATIVE. He was dead in 12 days.
My mother got captured by checking her lungs at a different hospital because she had chronic bronchitis .. she told them no Remdesivir but they came in w a bag not telling her what it was which was Remdesivir. She escaped and lived.
My uncle was jabbed died of blood clots of lungs and heart attack .. death certificate said COVID.
Father almost died of blood clots in the lungs, had to have emergency surgery to remove 50% of them, on blood thinners for probably the rest of his life which won’t be long now. His health has declined rapidly since getting vaccinated, never had covid.
Please watch JJ Couey Gigaohmbiological.com. More and more is coming clearer to me. I am older now and witnessed much. Cory is a warrior without the time to dig deeper. I appreciate his early treatment work etc. although exactly what a good doctor would do if there truly was a pandemic. However, in addition more is and has been going on in medicine for ages. I want answers and maybe you do too. My only hope is that at this stage in my life, maybe one on one who knows, the truth could be spread. Thanks in case you do check it out. It’s a little bit heavy, but worth the watch.
I remember stories from new york in the early days where doctors were terrified of being infected and anyone walking in the door with asthma or anxiety was put on a vent straight away. Most never made it off the vent. I'm sure that settled down after a while. But I'm also sure it contributed to the death toll in the early days. And yes. They were also not treated for whatever their presenting problem was
there is the Wisconsin case of Grace Schara, pretty horrifying, if you listen to an interview with her dad who filed suit against Ascension St Elizabeth hospital.
Then there is a class action lawsuit in California--maybe Bakersfield or Fresno? filed by families of patients--i heard 2 of the attorneys interviewed on the Highwire. Can't recall names or specifics but it was definitely related to hospital or doctor alleged malfeasance.
I know from a friend retired nurse, that respirators should only be used very carefully. A nurse online stated the same. I am afraid that in the panic, nurses and even doctors who did not know how to properly use the device, probably not out of ill will but trying to save patients, did it wrong. Panic is never a good advizor.
Just an older woman here asking please consider Gigaohmbiological.com. Will you consider the possibility that many “cases” were not Covid at all? Your work is greatly appreciated.
Dr. Cory, I vividly recall following you bemusedly in the winter and spring of 2021, when you naively thought that your research will finally allow Ivermectin to be accepted and adopted, until you finally saw that the reality was deeper and darker. I am now witnessing the same naivete from you with respect to ventilators. Yes, it's true that lack of proper treatment, rather than ventilators, is what caused the death -- ASSUMING that ventilators were being used properly, which they were NOT. They were being foisted on patients who were still more than capable of breathing on their own, if only they were given supplemental oxygen via a nasal canula. And what's worse, patients were given very heavy sedatives to justify the continued use of ventilators, which is what led to their decline and death. To sum it up, there were many patients who would have recovered even without proper treatments, if not for ventilators. You need to get past your naivete on this one.
Fascinating but not what I observed among the 6 hospital ICU's I worked in. Not saying that what you describe did not happen, and I, in fact, did say that happened but it generally (generally!) stopped a few months into the pandemic. I would suggest you read Part 3.
6 ICUs out of how many? & You are not giving enough "credit" to the greed of hospital admins who implemented the Death Protocols of which the kidney killing Remdesivir is no small part of- the REAL reason for most of the "COVID pneumonia". A more apt name should have been Remdesivir pneumonia. Kill the kidneys, back all fluids up into lungs...
It's contraindicated to give heavy sedatives to a patient having breathing difficulties as they depress the central nervous system making breathing more shallow. I know this even as a lay person. WTF?
I can’t afford to support your Substack but I did buy ( read and loved) your book. I had Delta in Aug of '21 but I'd been following the FLCC and Dr. Mobeen Said since May of 2020
My symptoms were brutal. 103° fever, oxy 87, purple toes, asomnia, fatigue as if rún over by a steam roller. Very little coughing or lung issues but diaharrea as if I had disentery. Nó one spoke about the killer diaharrea. Dr. Miguel Antonatos from the FLCC saved my life. He prescribed Fluvoxamine and Ivermectin right away but it took 12 days for my Ivermectin to arrive. Ivermectin turned me around like the miracle medicine that it is. I refused to go to the hospital here in Minnesota. They drank the CDC Koolaid. May I say that you, Dr. Merick and all those who asked questions and put their reputations on the líne to save lives are always in my grateful heart. I refused to get the "vax" and as an actor I lost jobs. I was shunned by my theater community and mocked by my family. Thank you for letting me read your Substack. I share it with those who I think will listen. Love and respect. Colleen Barrett
I used Dr. Miguel Antonatos as well (to get just ivermectin, not fluvoxamine). What happened to a truly lifesaving doctor like Dr. Antonatos is truly unconscionable and unfathomable: https://www.givesendgo.com/text2md - somewhat like what happened to Dr. Marik.
Happy to hear you pulled through on your own. August 2021, while you were taking ivermectin, I was in a coma at the University of Minnesota Fairview Hospital with Delta. I did eventually receive ivermectin on day 34 and my numbers got better immediately. 42 day coma 48 days on the vent. I too am horribly fearful of our medical system here in MN.
Elon is not a good guy, he has money because of tax payers and pretty much theft. He is a product of the CIA, he has a forked tongue. Go read Ed Dowd's substack on him, its really good and in-depth.
Wait… are you saying this 2nd smartest guy Substack is actually authored by Ed Dowd? If so, can you send the actual article? This just links to his substack
The point is, once hospitals stupidly bled red ink by ending many sources of revenue awaiting the tsunami of covid patients that largely never happened, they were government incentivized with a 20% reward for every covid case they treated.
Factor the nonsense of using PCR testing for definitive diagnosis and the table is set to mistreat all respiratory viruses with covid protocols.
How many people were denied antibiotics for untested bacterial pneumonia and treated with Remdesivir instead?
When they worsened they got the ventilator which only made matters worse via oxidative stress. The vents were akin to picking at a scab and expecting it to heal.
The death was then a money making covid death added to the statistics which were then used to scare the shit out of everyone.
When people questioned where the flu, bronchitis, and pneumonia went during covid? Fauci said those age-old maladies were successfully attenuated by lockdowns, distancing and masking.
Funny how those same protocols had little to no effect on eliminating covid deaths which they claim in the millions.
Odder still, the 600,000 unhygienic unvaccinated homeless living outdoors in tents are still with us. As are the unvaccinated migrants and the Amish.
GLK - good points. My daughter is a surgical RN and had her hours much reduced because both the hospital and the patients were too afraid to perform surgeries. Surgery is a major revenue source for hospitals.
1) Initially some feared covid so much they either quit or retired.
2) Later, when hospitals were quiet they reduced hours and/or had layoffs.
3) Then they forced vaccinations which led to more quitting/layoffs.
4) When things began rebounding the remaining staff had to pickup the slack which led to more quitting from burnout.
5) The lack of staff meant hospitals couldn’t operate at full productivity which led to more red ink.
6) Staffing companies seized the opportunity by jacking up their rates to unprecedented heights as hospitals scrambled to place as many nurses they could get their hands on.
Bottom line: As covid waned into a nothingburger all the patients that deferred their treatments either willingly or because they got kicked to the curb came streaming back in droves and the stupid hospitals got caught with their pants down.
I’d say they deserved it were it not for the patients they screwed over in the process.
Elon cares little for the oxygen of this planet, or its inhabitants. Why else would he build a system of radiating satellites to control us, and then send his friends to Mars?
Oh, lay off. Elon is just a second rate AI; not near Chatbot grade. But what would I know? The Muskox still has my Twatter account suspended because I insisted ivermectin have human uses.
My husband and I as well as another couple all got the Delta variant in Aug 2021. Both men got hit more severely than the women and required medical intervention. One man needed nebulizer treatments at home but no oxygen (getting home nebs ordered was a nightmare). The other gentlemen, I will call him Jeff, got sick quickly and was admitted to the hospital and received the 'standard' care (isolation, remdesivir, and oxygen).
After two weeks in the hospital Jeff wasn't getting better so the doctor suggested to him that he go on a vent 'to give his lungs a rest' (mind you he was able to talk on the phone and his sats were tolerable). Within 24 hours he rapidly deteriorated and at that point they said he needed ECMO and would need to be flown to the Cities. Long story short he developed kidney failure and then sepsis and passed two weeks after ECMO was started. I am likely forgetting some details as it has been over two years.
The three of us besides Jeff all took Ivermectin horse paste, many vitamins, aspirin and all recovered. Jeff was denied Ivermectin at the hospital and since he was allowed no visitors, nobody could get it to him.
I never heard of putting someone on a vent to 'give their lungs a rest' when they are able to talk and eat. Just thought I would share this story.
100%!!! There was no accountability and zero advocacy at patients bedside. Not to mention the emotional toll on patients and families. It is abhorrent the way patients and families were treated.
I now understand why I actually didn't feel that badly with hypoxia when I had COVID-19 (Delta variant):
"...'happy hypoxia', i.e. the state of requiring high amounts of supplemental oxygen yet without exhibiting a significant increase in the work of breathing."
Your COURAGEOUS, SACRIFICIAL, DILIGENT efforts the past 3 1/2 years helped save INNUMERABLE lives...including six of my family members and mine.
Hospitals,the doctors the nurses all knew that putting patients on ventilators would kill them.they flooded their Lungs.then put died of covid on the death certificates, to claim their bonuses.
You should call up Elon yourself. In addition to being brilliant, he readily listens and admits when he is wrong. He will even go public about being wrong. And as famous as you are becoming, he is much more famous and can be counted on to get the word out.
I saw huge problems with ventilators. I know many who died from these. The hospital I work in killed so many. I feel like I’ve been through a war. Doctors stood behind ‘protocol’ and did nothing to really help. We nurses were so fed up. Most of us lost all respect for our hospital and doctors.
Dr. Kory, would you disagree with the notion that in the FIRST wave in Spring 2020, the catastrophic, tragic, and record high number of deaths in places like New York, UK, etc. was largely due to BOTH 1) the lack of effective treatments AND 2) the inappropriate use of ventilators (excessive and harmful settings, or outright unwarranted use) and the excessive and dangerous use of sedatives- which was deadly for patients already in a fragile state with severely compromised respiratory status to begin with? While in SUBSEQUENT waves after early 2020, the inappropriate use of ventilators and sedatives sharply declined as you mentioned (though was still prevalent to a significant degree and absolutely still contributed to COVID deaths), such that from mid-2020 onwards, it was predominantly the lack of effective treatments that killed patients.
The problem with ventilator use was that it is the wrong choice when the fundamental problem was vascular. Covid caused vascular endotheliitis. This is what caused the extensive clotting. This caused low O2 sat due to reduced flow into the lungs. Adding positive pressure ventilation made the problem worse. (Nothing flows up a pressure gradient.) This is why 85% of those placed on mechanical positive pressure ventilation, died. When switched to high flow O2 by nasal cannula, 85% survived. The deaths from mechanical ventilation were iatrogenic
Thanks for this post! I worked as a respiratory ICU nurse during Covid (in Canada). I’ve been blocked by people on X by trying to explain that we don’t ventilate people as a treatment, but only as a last resort.
If you don’t put someone in hypoxemic respiratory failure on a ventilator they will die. Yet, I’ve had people accuse me of being an accessory to murder. It’s disheartening.
We need to keep talking to each other. The only way to truly combat the propaganda is by keeping an open mind and open dialogue. I’m so thankful for platforms like this to do just that!
I would also like to know your experience with remdesivir?
The conundrum of "happy hypoxemia" is very important. It was a big question during the early 2020 period. Subsequently I've seen the explanation that microthrombi were causing cyanosis of the fingers and thus causing O2Sat's as measured by pulse oximeters to be falsely low. What experience do you have of that? And, were you double-checking pulse oximeter measurements with arterial blood gases (and if so, taken from where?)? If you read this, Pierre, I would be interested in your reply as well.
Yes - ABGS are commonly used to establish trending. But it’s honestly not even about that. The people I saw intubated were in the end stages of respiratory failure. They had been breathing at a rate of up to 40 breaths/minute for days. They would be self proning (laying on their stomach) for DAYS. Eventually they are exhausted by the effort and the hypoxemia gets worse, despite 100% high flow oxygen supplementation.
At the beginning we were intubating quicker but that lasted for less than a month.
I personally never gave remdesivir. I did give hydroxychloroquine once. I also gave monoclonal antibodies and a different antiviral that started with a t (all of these were part of clinical trials).
In my experience these patients died of massive clots (gut ischemia, massive strokes, MI). We were very slow to recognize the clotting issues. I only know of one case of remdesivir and subsequent kidney failure where I was.
Thanks so much for your reply Laura-Lee. This info is so hard to get. I worked for decades in the OR as anesthesiologist but my experience in the ICU was fairly limited and I was not active during the Covid period. I did have regular contact with a pulmonologist that I had worked with 25 years who was taking care of critically ill Covid patients. He told me the mortality rate was about 40% for Covid patients and that they were being treated with supportive care as would be used for normal ARDS along with remdesivir. This guy was not a murderer, nor was his wife who was an ICU nurse. But they were brainwashed, fully vaxxed and boosted, and didn't know much about remdesivir other than that it was a "fully-accepted therapy" by the CDC.
An aside: a high school friend of mine contacted me after he had been admitted with a Covid diagnosis in N. Cal. He didn't think he was really that sick so he was surprised that the ER doc was insistent that he be admitted. He called to get my advice on whether he should let them treat them with monoclonal antibodies. I told him it probably would not be harmful and may help (I didn't have any personal experience myself with their use). Next morning he called and told me that they did a bait and switch and gave him remdesivir instead of MCA and were planning a second infusion shortly. I advised him to leave, which he did, after enduring the usual intimidation/threats by the nurses. He did fine on his own at home, didn't even use IVM.
I have heard of too many experiencing this “bait and switch” I’m a medical professional and have a few ICU nurse friends......some of these stories are unbelievable. The worst part was the bullying and high pressure and sometimes aggressive behavior from medical staff towards patients-who were simply afraid (or worst unvaccinated). It was disgusting.
(As for me- I worked in out patient facilities and was far removed from the ICU during Covid so I was not there first hand (to be clear), but I did however see patients in ICU and medsurge prior to covid for 14 years-and there was a general protocol we subscribed to for most reasons for hospital admittance (not all): early mobilization, getting people up, preventing prolonged supine position- the worst offender for any or all risks of pneumonia, and yes, this was even the case for healthy orthopaedic patients.)
I was horrified that hospitals were pushing early intervention consisting of “Rem & Vent” a lot of these folks were not at end stage but in fact early stage where early FLCC protocols, breathing exercises, and mobility promotion would have most likely helped them recover completely. Instead they died. Many of kidney failure-or other organ failure within a week or two, of otherwise healthy folks.
And then you hear, “well Covid must be worse than we thought it would be”.
I would rage inside when I would hear this (still do) because from my own logical perspective, the sick (but otherwise healthy) being pushed into these treatments then would rapidly decline and end up dead-a Covid death. They went to the hospital in the first place as they COULD NOT get access to the FLCCA protocols which were strongly “prohibited” throughout King county of Washington, and most certainly by any hospital facility. Sadly patients were met with hostility just requesting such early interventions. Then I would see other counties (naturopaths) using FLCCA protocols for early intervention and see and hear about the success of those particular caseloads young, old, sick not sick, comorbidities or none.
Observation is the first step in the scientific world to establishing a hypothesis...... so what happened?
Well I say, follow the Velcro attachments to financial gain- Fauci submitted “his medicine” for the only acceptable treatment of Covid (which doesn’t look like it worked very well from observation”
He/they paid our hospitals oodles of money from our National Treasury to bribe medical institutions to use only such medication protocol and prohibited use of other “requested medications” that had been proven time and time again to greatly reduce effects of Covid and promote full recovery (when prescribed properly).
I am sure we can establish toxicity of REMY, but I am not sure if we can clearly establish the difference of those who died of REMY toxicity vs Covid as Covid is what is now on the death certificates?
I think that was the beauty (evil beauty) of the plan from the beginning-
*Make it look like we are helping
*Make massive profit from self serving protocols that didn’t really do much good
*Further the appearance of Covid deaths
*Further the need hence push for use of untested MRNA therapy
*Further push notion for regularly needed boosters (by keeping people sick from the very thing they are getting jabbed from).
Kat, Thanks for this great reply and witness to what you saw. You confirm everything I’ve inferred to be the case. I completely agree that the purpose of all that mismanagement was to herd the terrified humans into the vaxx corral where they could deliver the more serious bioweapon.
Those stories are horrifying and sad. Normally the Canadian medical system is sadly inferior to the US system, but perhaps we had a big advantage in lacking the profit motive....
He writes: “Covid-19” truly is nothing but a positive PCR result. That's it. This is why a “new disease” called “Covid-19” can be found mostly in the asymptomatic, i.e. healthy people, who are not suffering from any disease whatsoever. This is why the symptoms belonging to "Covid” can range from none to the common cold, to Kawasaki disease, to frost bite, and all the way to death. This is why the CDC was able to add six “new” symptoms to “Covid” in April 2020, over four months after the common symptoms of pneumonia were first identified in patients in China, upon the introduction of mass testing. When one is labelled as a “Covid” case based upon a fraudulent test, any symptoms that they may or may not experience as well as any underlying health conditions that they may have had, become absorbed into the “Covid” umbrella. However, this amalgamation of unrelated symptoms joined together by way of PCR does not make “Covid” a new disease. It never was. It is simply the brand name for the positive PCR result, a result that is admittedly inaccurate when disease prevalence, which requires cases to be diagnosed clinically, is low. As “Covid” cannot be diagnosed clinically based upon specific signs and symptoms, there is no way to get an accurate disease prevalence rate in order to determine the accuracy of the PCR result. Thus, PCR is used to generate cases in order to calculate disease prevalence so that its results can be claimed as accurate. However, PCR cannot be used to create cases in order to determine its own accuracy. This is outright fraud, and it is the very reason why there was never any “viral pandemic.” It has always been, and will continue to be, a testing pandemic until enough people become aware of the truth and stop testing for a “new disease” that never existed in the first place.
The PCR test is indeed an absolute mess and conflated everything. However, Covid-19 respiratory disease presented with a relatively unique pattern, trajectory, and response to treatment. I have never in my life walked into an ICU where 24 patients were on ventilators with maximal settings with the same exact X-ray and same exact history of present illness. In fact, it was nearly impossible to remember patient's names because differentiating characteristics were few - normally, by the 2nd day of an ICU week, I know the patients names, treatments and diseases from memory. In Covid, it took many days before I could assign specifics to each patient as they were so similarly ill. Also know that I have taken care of two intubated patients with the flu in my entire career and only a few with RSV.
I'm repeating questions I had for ICU nurse Laura-Le below:
The conundrum of "happy hypoxemia" is very important. It was a big question during the early 2020 period. Subsequently I've seen the explanation that microthrombi were causing cyanosis of the fingers and thus causing O2Sat's as measured by pulse oximeters to be falsely low. What experience do you have of that? And, were you double-checking pulse oximeter measurements with arterial blood gases (and if so, taken from where?)? If you read this, Pierre, I would be interested in your reply as well.
Aerosole use as a transmission vector could account for the symptoms on steroids you observed in order to induce us all into believing we were in a pandemic when in fact it was a plandemic brought to us by the DoD and HHS, the vaccine was the real planned bio-weapon countermeasure brought to us by our murderous government. Read Constitutional laws in place to bring this to us allowing all players full immunity. See Katherine Watt at Bailiwick News stat.
Aside, I'm surprised that you have only taken care of two intubated patients with the flu. I was involved in the care of a pediatric patient with the flu during anesthesia residency and did not go into ICU critical care as you did.
Question: In your opinion, how toxic is Remdesivir? Is it reasonable to assume that Remdesivir had a great deal of responsibility for causing the progression of mild/moderate C19 illness to progress to an ARDS picture with renal failure?
Most laypeople don't seem to be aware that the use of midazolam/propofol, etc. in ventilated patients is a good thing, not a cause of morbidity or mortality. It is intolerant for a patient to be intubated without sedation, so one should expect the use of sedatives once the patient is intubated.
Do you deny that EXCESSIVE use of midalozam, propofol, fentanyl, morphine, etc. can cause patient death? I am neither a "layperson" nor an "expert" (in between the two), but I am fully aware that while the use of these drugs in appropriate, judicious amounts is generally a "necessary evil" in ventilated patients, the EXCESSIVE or INAPPROPRIATE use of these drugs absolutely can cause death, and many COVID patients were indeed victims of this tragic scenario. In addition to direct dangers of the drugs themselves, these drugs also induced prolonged ventilator dependence in patients whose lungs had recovered to at least a minimally adequate degree, thus in some cases enabling medical teams to prematurely withdraw care (terminally extubate) patients after misleading and pressuring their families that there was no hope or that their loved ones would "suffer forever" (very sadly, hospitals had certain incentives to prematurely give up on critically ill patients). The proof is in the pudding that many patients died needlessly: among the patients whose families refused to give up on them and did not consent to withdrawal of care in spite of immense pressure from the medical teams, the vast majority did ultimately survive (unless they developed sepsis, or other organ failure, etc. along the way) and achieved a quality of life that is infinitely preferable to death. Many published studies also show that the vast majority of COVID deaths were following withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treatment.
1) I addressed the issue of the normal use of sedatives and opiates in intubated patients in a critical care unit. You are suggesting that the MD's and nurses in those units were deliberating massively overdosing patients in order to murder them, despite the patient already being on life support. Could this have happened? I suppose so, but I find it unlikely unless basically hired killers were brought in disguised as doctors and nurses. In any doses resembling clinical doses, including the higher doses need for opioid addicts, e.g. when death occurs it is respiratory because of depressed ventilation. That isn't possible while on a ventilator.
2) In a normal ICU the issue of prolonged ventilator dependence caused by these drugs isn't a big issue. The drugs are withdrawn over time, the consciousness and the spontaneous respirations of the patient are monitored until an experienced MD, ICU nurse, or respiratory therapist, or some combination thereof, feels the patient can be weaned off the ventilator. Then the patient is extubated and monitoring continues. Sometimes the patient fails extubation and needs to be intubated and placed back on the ventilator. I don't think that doctors, nurses, and other caregivers in the hospitals were consciously murdering their patients. I wasn't there, but I spent a career working alongside such people and that is my opinion. I do think they may have been hoodwinked and even coerced into not going against the protocols. That's why I would like to have Dr Kory's opinion of remdesivir. It may have been the prime way the murders were committed. A top-down protocol from the CDC, written by Fauci, was sent to hospital administrators nationwide who were told that that protocol, which included remdesivir, should be used. And btw, the hospital will receive a great deal of money for such use.
3) Agreed: "many patients died needlessly." My question is how they were killed and I reject the theory that that was done by using sedatives and opiates in intubated/ventilated patients.
4) "Many published studies also show that the vast majority of Covid deaths were following withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treaatment." Please reference this with a few studies. If you can't do that I assume you were just bluffing with this sentence for some bizarre reason, because it makes no sense whatsoever.
Perhaps I should have been more clear- I am not saying that medical professionals "deliberately murdered" patients (if such a thing happened, I am sure it was very rare). But I AM saying that they knowingly provided negligent, inadequate, and sometimes dangerous care to patients- care that would never be provided to the likes of President Biden or President Trump (for instance, recall the course of Trump's COVID illness in 2020 and the details of the treatments that he received, both inexpensive and expensive, which Average Joes and Janes were deprived of).
And regarding your item 2, the obvious problem which I wrote about above is that the ventilator dependence caused by these drugs enabled the inappropriate and unwarranted TERMINAL EXTUBUATION of many patients. Again, I am not saying that medical teams "deliberately murdered" patients, but I am saying that they let patients die who could have been saved, probably largely because they were incentivized and even pressured to prematurely give up on patients. And on that note, what about the inappropriate and excessive use of sedatives in non-ventilated COVID patients "for comfort"- do you disagree that this can actually cause death in such patients whose respiratory status is already compromised? Regarding remdesivir, I think it is quite ineffective and at least somewhat unsafe, but based on RCT and other evidence I highly doubt that remdesivir alone was a major cause of deaths in COVID patients- I really think that the deprivation of effective treatments along with the excessive and inappropriate use of mechanical ventilators and sedatives were much bigger culprits than remdesivir.
Finally, here is a study that reported 77% of COVID deaths occurred after withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treatment: "Withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining interventions occurred in 76.8%, including 37 (45.1%) who were terminally extubated before death." https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/10.1513/AnnalsATS.202011-1381RL.
Another study that clearly affirms what went on: "COVID patients were younger, less frail, less severely ill with lower SOFA score, but were treated more often with invasive mechanical ventilation (MV) and had a lower 30-day survival...For COVID patients, withholding and withdrawing of LST were more frequent than for non-COVID and the 30-day survival was almost half compared to non-COVID patients." https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-022-06642-z
1) It goes without saying that medical care in the US will vary depending on the economic and social status of the patient.
2) Regarding item 2, if excessive sedation is used in patients who are extubated and are not being continuously monitored there is definitely risk of respiratory depression causing hypoxia and organ damage as well as death. No question. I don't know the extent that that happened. It may have happened a lot. It may not have happened so often. And because a positive PCR test was often used as the confirmation of an illness being Covid, we don't even know how many of those deaths were actually Covid patients, as opposed to misdiagnosed.
3) I keep asking about Remdesivir, to RN Laura Lee and Dr. Pierre Kory, because I don't personally have any experience with it and I would like to get a clinical picture of how it was used, if suspicions were raised about it causing organ (specifically kidney and liver) failure. You are making a lot of assumptions, like "regarding remdesivir, I think it is quite ineffective and at least somewhat unsafe," that I am not willing to make as I don't have the personal observations or witness observations to draw those conclusions for certain. I read the original study in which remdesivir was part of a treatment for Ebola. That treatment arm did slightly worse than the other two arms, but not dramatically worse. They all had high mortality rates which just reflected treatment of a very high mortality disease. In my mind it didn't really say much about remdesivir as a treatment for Covid and I've never seen a good explanation for why remdesivir came off Gilead's shelf to treat Covid, other than the fact that Fauci recommended it and a scheme was promoted to reward hospitals for using it.
4) As far as the ATS journal reference is concerned: in the first place, it's not a study at all. It's a letter to the editor which gives it little scientific weight. There are 82 patients identified as Covid positive, but no further definition of what that is. Of those 82 patients, 58 underwent IMV (intermittent mandatory ventilation). Of those 37 were undergoing IMV at the time of death. 21 had been treated with IMV, but were not at the time of death. We have no idea how much time transpired between the removal of the IMV and death. Two minutes? Two days? Two weeks? If you can draw conclusions from that letter to the editor I don't see how. I can't. But you say that it "clearly affirms what went on?"
5) As for the second reference the authors " aimed to compare the characteristics and mortality of very old critically ill patients with or without COVID-19 with a focus on LLST." It becomes clear reading the article that the authors consider the apparent shortage of ICU beds in Europe (where the majority of patients were recruited) to have been a factor in determining selection of patients at triage. Though the numbers are not given, it appears that a large number of very ill, old patients were denied admission to hospitals and sent back to their living quarters to die. A decision appears to have been made to preferentially select fitter , less ill Covid patients for admission. However, those patients did not fare as well as the more frail, non-Covid patients. Again, no mention is made as to how the diagnosis of Covid is made. Assuming that a positive PCR test was the main requirement for positive diagnosis we have the same problem as in the first reference. We don't really know how treatments differed between the two cohorts. Presumably the non-Covid patients did not receive remdesivir and if the Covid patients did, that could be a huge variable in terms of outcome. The authors draw the conclusion that although the Covid patients were less frail at admission, they tended to have a more aggressive disease than their matched cohorts. Remembering Pierre Kory's Senate testimony I would tend to think that that may have been the case, though I don't think this article proves that by any means. Heck, because of the way "Covid" cases were identified at the time we can't even be sure of the diagnosis of these elderly, very sick patients. I don't think a case is made in either of these articles for what you are looking for.
In sum, we can't even be sure of the total number of patients that actually did die from Covid virus. The one thing I agree with Bob Malone on is that all the data has been tampered with. My own feeling based on what I have read is that there were Covid deaths, probably about the same number as during a difficult influenza year, and that it was hyped dramatically with all the attendant restrictions, mandates, treatment withholds, and fear-mongering so that the real goal of injecting as many people as possible with Bioweapon #2 could be accomplished. The deaths from the vaxx far outweigh those of the virus, with or without the misuse of ventilation, remdesivir, or any other malpractice used.
Then can you please explain why these particular CNS depressant drugs were given in massive doses to patients w breathing difficulties? This was clearly deliberate especially when you factor in the isolation from their families or any other legal advocate. As a chronic pain sufferer I can barely get enough pain med to be functional.
I've already answered that in my previous reply. If large numbers of non-intubated patients were overdosed with narcotics and sedatives and then not monitored while they succumbed to respiratory arrest I've not heard of it.
I'm sorry about your chronic pain and I don't want to make light of it but I guess you had bad timing. During the '90's the authorities basically commanded doctors to throw scheduled (narcotic) drugs at chronic pain patients. I thought it was bizarre at the time but I didn't realize it was probably deliberately done as part of a campaign to spread opioid dependency in the US population. It was quite successful, unfortunately.
I think there must be widely different factual truths that people will have experienced on the topic of ventilators - depending on the hospital where the patient or doctor was.
Tragically there seems to be no question that there were hospitals that were routinely blowing people’s lungs out with ventilators set very high. There’s so much testimony about that, plus testimony about misuse of the sedatives. Think about Nurse Erin’s testimony from Elmwood Hospital. Also, here in NY, one of the world epicenters for covid deaths, I’m right near Maimonides hospital, from where many, many horror stories emanated. I know that a man in our community walked in on his own two feet on the Sabbath in his festive clothing, and hours later was in a body bag. What is that, if not murder by ventilator or sedatives? Something horrible was going on there, no question. The whole community came to realize that Maimonides was NOT a safe place for a covid patient, as an inordinate number were never making it out. There were even stories of people being unplugged from ventilators on Saturdays, when many staff were off. It was a death trap. I believe that a huge death count was purposely created in NYC in order to hype worldwide fear. I can connect you to people here who can testify about what was going on, if you want to investigate.
Brucha - I can only speak to what I observed in the 6 hospitals and ICU's I worked in during Covid. I also trained the ICU Director at Elmhurst (not Elmwood) and she knows how to manage ventilators expertly. Elmhurst was a disaster scene that I know. However, you should know that, both myself and several of my colleagues have been serving as expert witnesses in a number of cases where hospitals and doctors are being accused of immense amounts of malfeasance, some of them highly public cases, and the reality of what happened in most of the cases is stunningly different from what was being portrayed in the media and especially social media. This is not to say terrible care or neglect did not happen, but when you are able to carefully review the facts and all the facts of each case, often a very different picture emerges. But not always. I am currently an expert in a case where the quality of care literally defies belief.
Hi Dr. Kory, one question: these "cases where hospitals and doctors are being accused of immense amounts of malfeasance, some of them highly public cases, and the reality of what happened in most of the cases is stunningly different from what was being portrayed in the media and especially social media"- are they related to COVID, or something else? Because the media narrative that I am overwhelmingly familiar with is that hospitals and doctors did a heroic, near-perfect job with COVID, and all the deaths are just because COVID is such a "horrible, deadly disease". In fact, I am not aware of any highly public cases of alleged malfeasance related to COVID (unless of course, they are going after a doctor who gave ivermectin or other alternative treatment, etc.). If you don't mind, can you give some examples of which highly public cases you are referring to?
They are all covid related. The hospitals certainly did NOT do anywhere close to a perfect job but many/most providers and nurses worked their assess off to insane degrees in often chaotic surges of patients. Unfortunately, I cannot give details on those cases.. yet.
My dad went to the hospital to get monoclonal antibodies because my mom had COVID. They declined him these antibodies for not being jabbed. They admitted him, immediately put on a catheter ( why?), started Remdesivir immediately. He was isolated, starved, dehydrated, hands tied down, left in bed, phone put I. His Janet pocket, no TV, taken off normal daily meds, refused to give vitamins, vitamins, put on a high flo bipap, sedatives, end of life protocol he was murdered in 12 days. One time we checked in with Dr and she said sarcastically .. “welll.. he’s alive”. After they murdered him and stole his wedding ring we were “allowed” to see him and the “nurse” said .. “ too bad he wasn’t vaccinated he’d still be alive”. How the unjabbed get “ treated” And btw when I got his medical records he tested NEGATIVE. He was dead in 12 days.
My mother got captured by checking her lungs at a different hospital because she had chronic bronchitis .. she told them no Remdesivir but they came in w a bag not telling her what it was which was Remdesivir. She escaped and lived.
My uncle was jabbed died of blood clots of lungs and heart attack .. death certificate said COVID.
Nothing to see here.
So very sorry to hear about your dad
There aren't even any words, I can't begin to imagine. Heartbreaking.
Is there any way they can be charged w murder?
Follow Scott Schara re: his daughter Grace.
https://ouramazinggrace.net/Docs/Legal%20Update%20History/Plaintiff%202023-10-23%20Brief%20in%20Opposition.pdf
Thank you for that link. How do these scumbags live w themselves? Mind boggling.
Such horrors. I’m so sorry.
Father almost died of blood clots in the lungs, had to have emergency surgery to remove 50% of them, on blood thinners for probably the rest of his life which won’t be long now. His health has declined rapidly since getting vaccinated, never had covid.
Very sorry to hear that about your Dad. A friend if mine had the same experience as your mother. I’m glad they both made it out.
Please watch JJ Couey Gigaohmbiological.com. More and more is coming clearer to me. I am older now and witnessed much. Cory is a warrior without the time to dig deeper. I appreciate his early treatment work etc. although exactly what a good doctor would do if there truly was a pandemic. However, in addition more is and has been going on in medicine for ages. I want answers and maybe you do too. My only hope is that at this stage in my life, maybe one on one who knows, the truth could be spread. Thanks in case you do check it out. It’s a little bit heavy, but worth the watch.
I remember stories from new york in the early days where doctors were terrified of being infected and anyone walking in the door with asthma or anxiety was put on a vent straight away. Most never made it off the vent. I'm sure that settled down after a while. But I'm also sure it contributed to the death toll in the early days. And yes. They were also not treated for whatever their presenting problem was
there is the Wisconsin case of Grace Schara, pretty horrifying, if you listen to an interview with her dad who filed suit against Ascension St Elizabeth hospital.
Then there is a class action lawsuit in California--maybe Bakersfield or Fresno? filed by families of patients--i heard 2 of the attorneys interviewed on the Highwire. Can't recall names or specifics but it was definitely related to hospital or doctor alleged malfeasance.
My thoughts exactly....
I know from a friend retired nurse, that respirators should only be used very carefully. A nurse online stated the same. I am afraid that in the panic, nurses and even doctors who did not know how to properly use the device, probably not out of ill will but trying to save patients, did it wrong. Panic is never a good advizor.
Perhaps you have some ideas on these questions.... https://brownstone.org/articles/does-new-york-city-2020-make-any-sense/
Thank you for posting that link to Brownstones excellent review of the improbability of NYC spike of Covid deaths!!!
It was good, wasn't it? Would like to hear Dr Kory's response to it...
Just an older woman here asking please consider Gigaohmbiological.com. Will you consider the possibility that many “cases” were not Covid at all? Your work is greatly appreciated.
https://substack.com/@reidgsheftall/note/c-43738613?r=9t512
I think this is the correct understanding. It's basic common sense, when you take into account what we now know about the issue of microclotting
Dr. Cory, I vividly recall following you bemusedly in the winter and spring of 2021, when you naively thought that your research will finally allow Ivermectin to be accepted and adopted, until you finally saw that the reality was deeper and darker. I am now witnessing the same naivete from you with respect to ventilators. Yes, it's true that lack of proper treatment, rather than ventilators, is what caused the death -- ASSUMING that ventilators were being used properly, which they were NOT. They were being foisted on patients who were still more than capable of breathing on their own, if only they were given supplemental oxygen via a nasal canula. And what's worse, patients were given very heavy sedatives to justify the continued use of ventilators, which is what led to their decline and death. To sum it up, there were many patients who would have recovered even without proper treatments, if not for ventilators. You need to get past your naivete on this one.
Fascinating but not what I observed among the 6 hospital ICU's I worked in. Not saying that what you describe did not happen, and I, in fact, did say that happened but it generally (generally!) stopped a few months into the pandemic. I would suggest you read Part 3.
6 ICUs out of how many? & You are not giving enough "credit" to the greed of hospital admins who implemented the Death Protocols of which the kidney killing Remdesivir is no small part of- the REAL reason for most of the "COVID pneumonia". A more apt name should have been Remdesivir pneumonia. Kill the kidneys, back all fluids up into lungs...
It's contraindicated to give heavy sedatives to a patient having breathing difficulties as they depress the central nervous system making breathing more shallow. I know this even as a lay person. WTF?
Reminds me of Matt "Midazolam" Hancock....
I can’t afford to support your Substack but I did buy ( read and loved) your book. I had Delta in Aug of '21 but I'd been following the FLCC and Dr. Mobeen Said since May of 2020
My symptoms were brutal. 103° fever, oxy 87, purple toes, asomnia, fatigue as if rún over by a steam roller. Very little coughing or lung issues but diaharrea as if I had disentery. Nó one spoke about the killer diaharrea. Dr. Miguel Antonatos from the FLCC saved my life. He prescribed Fluvoxamine and Ivermectin right away but it took 12 days for my Ivermectin to arrive. Ivermectin turned me around like the miracle medicine that it is. I refused to go to the hospital here in Minnesota. They drank the CDC Koolaid. May I say that you, Dr. Merick and all those who asked questions and put their reputations on the líne to save lives are always in my grateful heart. I refused to get the "vax" and as an actor I lost jobs. I was shunned by my theater community and mocked by my family. Thank you for letting me read your Substack. I share it with those who I think will listen. Love and respect. Colleen Barrett
I used Dr. Miguel Antonatos as well (to get just ivermectin, not fluvoxamine). What happened to a truly lifesaving doctor like Dr. Antonatos is truly unconscionable and unfathomable: https://www.givesendgo.com/text2md - somewhat like what happened to Dr. Marik.
CA Barrett, thank you for sharing your story. You made all the right (and tough) decisions. I applaud you.
Happy to hear you pulled through on your own. August 2021, while you were taking ivermectin, I was in a coma at the University of Minnesota Fairview Hospital with Delta. I did eventually receive ivermectin on day 34 and my numbers got better immediately. 42 day coma 48 days on the vent. I too am horribly fearful of our medical system here in MN.
Elon is not a good guy, he has money because of tax payers and pretty much theft. He is a product of the CIA, he has a forked tongue. Go read Ed Dowd's substack on him, its really good and in-depth.
Do you have a link? Can't seem to find Ed Dowd on Substack and would like to read it very much.
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com
Wait… are you saying this 2nd smartest guy Substack is actually authored by Ed Dowd? If so, can you send the actual article? This just links to his substack
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/repost-elon-musk-officially-takes?r=2btle&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Not very trustworthy in my eyes. Sorry. A lot of BS about Tesla which obviously is not true.
yes I would be surprised too. I followed second smartest guy for a while, but I do not think this is Ed Dowd
Yes it is Ed Dowd
You really need to provide proof that stack is written by Dowd. Who are you, and how do you state this as fact without evidence?
OMG I did not know that! thanks for the update
I would be surprised if it's Ed Dowd, but found some of the articles on Elon:
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/was-elon-psyop-musk-involved-in-psyop
Yes it is Ed Dowd
That doesn’t sound like the same Ed Dowd who is a principle at Phinance Technology. Can you provide proof?
Oh, okay. That's interesting.
Which of the many things that he designed have you designed?
Do you have a link?
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/
The point is, once hospitals stupidly bled red ink by ending many sources of revenue awaiting the tsunami of covid patients that largely never happened, they were government incentivized with a 20% reward for every covid case they treated.
Factor the nonsense of using PCR testing for definitive diagnosis and the table is set to mistreat all respiratory viruses with covid protocols.
How many people were denied antibiotics for untested bacterial pneumonia and treated with Remdesivir instead?
When they worsened they got the ventilator which only made matters worse via oxidative stress. The vents were akin to picking at a scab and expecting it to heal.
The death was then a money making covid death added to the statistics which were then used to scare the shit out of everyone.
When people questioned where the flu, bronchitis, and pneumonia went during covid? Fauci said those age-old maladies were successfully attenuated by lockdowns, distancing and masking.
Funny how those same protocols had little to no effect on eliminating covid deaths which they claim in the millions.
Odder still, the 600,000 unhygienic unvaccinated homeless living outdoors in tents are still with us. As are the unvaccinated migrants and the Amish.
Funny old world izzinit?
GLK - good points. My daughter is a surgical RN and had her hours much reduced because both the hospital and the patients were too afraid to perform surgeries. Surgery is a major revenue source for hospitals.
Hospitals lost a lot of clinical staff.
1) Initially some feared covid so much they either quit or retired.
2) Later, when hospitals were quiet they reduced hours and/or had layoffs.
3) Then they forced vaccinations which led to more quitting/layoffs.
4) When things began rebounding the remaining staff had to pickup the slack which led to more quitting from burnout.
5) The lack of staff meant hospitals couldn’t operate at full productivity which led to more red ink.
6) Staffing companies seized the opportunity by jacking up their rates to unprecedented heights as hospitals scrambled to place as many nurses they could get their hands on.
Bottom line: As covid waned into a nothingburger all the patients that deferred their treatments either willingly or because they got kicked to the curb came streaming back in droves and the stupid hospitals got caught with their pants down.
I’d say they deserved it were it not for the patients they screwed over in the process.
Elon cares little for the oxygen of this planet, or its inhabitants. Why else would he build a system of radiating satellites to control us, and then send his friends to Mars?
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/5g-satellites-a-threat-to-all-life
Oh, lay off. Elon is just a second rate AI; not near Chatbot grade. But what would I know? The Muskox still has my Twatter account suspended because I insisted ivermectin have human uses.
What good are non-radiating satellites?
No good at all of course (: Question is: why are tens of thousands going up now?
1 for everybody on Earth. 😖😳
Which tens of thousands are going up?
Vonu, you need to go do your own research. You don’t seem to know much at all about Elon Musk.
I seem to understand what I know about him far more than you do.
FYI: https://arthurfirstenberg.substack.com/p/number-of-planned-low-orbit-satellites
My husband and I as well as another couple all got the Delta variant in Aug 2021. Both men got hit more severely than the women and required medical intervention. One man needed nebulizer treatments at home but no oxygen (getting home nebs ordered was a nightmare). The other gentlemen, I will call him Jeff, got sick quickly and was admitted to the hospital and received the 'standard' care (isolation, remdesivir, and oxygen).
After two weeks in the hospital Jeff wasn't getting better so the doctor suggested to him that he go on a vent 'to give his lungs a rest' (mind you he was able to talk on the phone and his sats were tolerable). Within 24 hours he rapidly deteriorated and at that point they said he needed ECMO and would need to be flown to the Cities. Long story short he developed kidney failure and then sepsis and passed two weeks after ECMO was started. I am likely forgetting some details as it has been over two years.
The three of us besides Jeff all took Ivermectin horse paste, many vitamins, aspirin and all recovered. Jeff was denied Ivermectin at the hospital and since he was allowed no visitors, nobody could get it to him.
I never heard of putting someone on a vent to 'give their lungs a rest' when they are able to talk and eat. Just thought I would share this story.
The ‘no visitors’ and ‘no one allowed when someone is dying’ must never be allowed to happen again! So wrong, so immoral, unbelievably cruel.
100%!!! There was no accountability and zero advocacy at patients bedside. Not to mention the emotional toll on patients and families. It is abhorrent the way patients and families were treated.
Amen! Unconscionable.
I now understand why I actually didn't feel that badly with hypoxia when I had COVID-19 (Delta variant):
"...'happy hypoxia', i.e. the state of requiring high amounts of supplemental oxygen yet without exhibiting a significant increase in the work of breathing."
Your COURAGEOUS, SACRIFICIAL, DILIGENT efforts the past 3 1/2 years helped save INNUMERABLE lives...including six of my family members and mine.
ETERNALLY GRATEFUL 🙏
P.S. Our COURAGEOUS, SACRIFICIAL COVID-19 Doctor used the FLCCC protocols to provide for our every need, including oxygen at home via text.
Hospitals,the doctors the nurses all knew that putting patients on ventilators would kill them.they flooded their Lungs.then put died of covid on the death certificates, to claim their bonuses.
You should call up Elon yourself. In addition to being brilliant, he readily listens and admits when he is wrong. He will even go public about being wrong. And as famous as you are becoming, he is much more famous and can be counted on to get the word out.
Elon to the rescue after he fully invested in the vaccine, our savior! Indeed.
Karla - yes! No one person is ‘our savior’. We must save ourselves.
Then why hasn't "he" (if an AI can have a sex) restored my Twatter account?
I saw huge problems with ventilators. I know many who died from these. The hospital I work in killed so many. I feel like I’ve been through a war. Doctors stood behind ‘protocol’ and did nothing to really help. We nurses were so fed up. Most of us lost all respect for our hospital and doctors.
Dr musk should have consulted Dr gates for the real scoop. These billionaire turds are a joke.
Dr. Kory, would you disagree with the notion that in the FIRST wave in Spring 2020, the catastrophic, tragic, and record high number of deaths in places like New York, UK, etc. was largely due to BOTH 1) the lack of effective treatments AND 2) the inappropriate use of ventilators (excessive and harmful settings, or outright unwarranted use) and the excessive and dangerous use of sedatives- which was deadly for patients already in a fragile state with severely compromised respiratory status to begin with? While in SUBSEQUENT waves after early 2020, the inappropriate use of ventilators and sedatives sharply declined as you mentioned (though was still prevalent to a significant degree and absolutely still contributed to COVID deaths), such that from mid-2020 onwards, it was predominantly the lack of effective treatments that killed patients.
The problem with ventilator use was that it is the wrong choice when the fundamental problem was vascular. Covid caused vascular endotheliitis. This is what caused the extensive clotting. This caused low O2 sat due to reduced flow into the lungs. Adding positive pressure ventilation made the problem worse. (Nothing flows up a pressure gradient.) This is why 85% of those placed on mechanical positive pressure ventilation, died. When switched to high flow O2 by nasal cannula, 85% survived. The deaths from mechanical ventilation were iatrogenic
Thanks for this post! I worked as a respiratory ICU nurse during Covid (in Canada). I’ve been blocked by people on X by trying to explain that we don’t ventilate people as a treatment, but only as a last resort.
If you don’t put someone in hypoxemic respiratory failure on a ventilator they will die. Yet, I’ve had people accuse me of being an accessory to murder. It’s disheartening.
We need to keep talking to each other. The only way to truly combat the propaganda is by keeping an open mind and open dialogue. I’m so thankful for platforms like this to do just that!
Did you also administer Remdesivir?
I would also like to know your experience with remdesivir?
The conundrum of "happy hypoxemia" is very important. It was a big question during the early 2020 period. Subsequently I've seen the explanation that microthrombi were causing cyanosis of the fingers and thus causing O2Sat's as measured by pulse oximeters to be falsely low. What experience do you have of that? And, were you double-checking pulse oximeter measurements with arterial blood gases (and if so, taken from where?)? If you read this, Pierre, I would be interested in your reply as well.
Yes - ABGS are commonly used to establish trending. But it’s honestly not even about that. The people I saw intubated were in the end stages of respiratory failure. They had been breathing at a rate of up to 40 breaths/minute for days. They would be self proning (laying on their stomach) for DAYS. Eventually they are exhausted by the effort and the hypoxemia gets worse, despite 100% high flow oxygen supplementation.
At the beginning we were intubating quicker but that lasted for less than a month.
I personally never gave remdesivir. I did give hydroxychloroquine once. I also gave monoclonal antibodies and a different antiviral that started with a t (all of these were part of clinical trials).
In my experience these patients died of massive clots (gut ischemia, massive strokes, MI). We were very slow to recognize the clotting issues. I only know of one case of remdesivir and subsequent kidney failure where I was.
Thanks so much for your reply Laura-Lee. This info is so hard to get. I worked for decades in the OR as anesthesiologist but my experience in the ICU was fairly limited and I was not active during the Covid period. I did have regular contact with a pulmonologist that I had worked with 25 years who was taking care of critically ill Covid patients. He told me the mortality rate was about 40% for Covid patients and that they were being treated with supportive care as would be used for normal ARDS along with remdesivir. This guy was not a murderer, nor was his wife who was an ICU nurse. But they were brainwashed, fully vaxxed and boosted, and didn't know much about remdesivir other than that it was a "fully-accepted therapy" by the CDC.
An aside: a high school friend of mine contacted me after he had been admitted with a Covid diagnosis in N. Cal. He didn't think he was really that sick so he was surprised that the ER doc was insistent that he be admitted. He called to get my advice on whether he should let them treat them with monoclonal antibodies. I told him it probably would not be harmful and may help (I didn't have any personal experience myself with their use). Next morning he called and told me that they did a bait and switch and gave him remdesivir instead of MCA and were planning a second infusion shortly. I advised him to leave, which he did, after enduring the usual intimidation/threats by the nurses. He did fine on his own at home, didn't even use IVM.
I have heard of too many experiencing this “bait and switch” I’m a medical professional and have a few ICU nurse friends......some of these stories are unbelievable. The worst part was the bullying and high pressure and sometimes aggressive behavior from medical staff towards patients-who were simply afraid (or worst unvaccinated). It was disgusting.
(As for me- I worked in out patient facilities and was far removed from the ICU during Covid so I was not there first hand (to be clear), but I did however see patients in ICU and medsurge prior to covid for 14 years-and there was a general protocol we subscribed to for most reasons for hospital admittance (not all): early mobilization, getting people up, preventing prolonged supine position- the worst offender for any or all risks of pneumonia, and yes, this was even the case for healthy orthopaedic patients.)
I was horrified that hospitals were pushing early intervention consisting of “Rem & Vent” a lot of these folks were not at end stage but in fact early stage where early FLCC protocols, breathing exercises, and mobility promotion would have most likely helped them recover completely. Instead they died. Many of kidney failure-or other organ failure within a week or two, of otherwise healthy folks.
And then you hear, “well Covid must be worse than we thought it would be”.
I would rage inside when I would hear this (still do) because from my own logical perspective, the sick (but otherwise healthy) being pushed into these treatments then would rapidly decline and end up dead-a Covid death. They went to the hospital in the first place as they COULD NOT get access to the FLCCA protocols which were strongly “prohibited” throughout King county of Washington, and most certainly by any hospital facility. Sadly patients were met with hostility just requesting such early interventions. Then I would see other counties (naturopaths) using FLCCA protocols for early intervention and see and hear about the success of those particular caseloads young, old, sick not sick, comorbidities or none.
Observation is the first step in the scientific world to establishing a hypothesis...... so what happened?
Well I say, follow the Velcro attachments to financial gain- Fauci submitted “his medicine” for the only acceptable treatment of Covid (which doesn’t look like it worked very well from observation”
He/they paid our hospitals oodles of money from our National Treasury to bribe medical institutions to use only such medication protocol and prohibited use of other “requested medications” that had been proven time and time again to greatly reduce effects of Covid and promote full recovery (when prescribed properly).
I am sure we can establish toxicity of REMY, but I am not sure if we can clearly establish the difference of those who died of REMY toxicity vs Covid as Covid is what is now on the death certificates?
I think that was the beauty (evil beauty) of the plan from the beginning-
*Make it look like we are helping
*Make massive profit from self serving protocols that didn’t really do much good
*Further the appearance of Covid deaths
*Further the need hence push for use of untested MRNA therapy
*Further push notion for regularly needed boosters (by keeping people sick from the very thing they are getting jabbed from).
Sounds ludicrous.
But that’s just my “observation”.
Kat, Thanks for this great reply and witness to what you saw. You confirm everything I’ve inferred to be the case. I completely agree that the purpose of all that mismanagement was to herd the terrified humans into the vaxx corral where they could deliver the more serious bioweapon.
Those stories are horrifying and sad. Normally the Canadian medical system is sadly inferior to the US system, but perhaps we had a big advantage in lacking the profit motive....
What bothers me is not your partial defense of ventilation but the assumption that all these patients were sick or died from so-called Covid.
I highly recommend Mike Stone's ViroLIEgy Newsletter, his blog "What is Covid-19?" (https://mikestone.substack.com/p/what-is-covid-190).
He writes: “Covid-19” truly is nothing but a positive PCR result. That's it. This is why a “new disease” called “Covid-19” can be found mostly in the asymptomatic, i.e. healthy people, who are not suffering from any disease whatsoever. This is why the symptoms belonging to "Covid” can range from none to the common cold, to Kawasaki disease, to frost bite, and all the way to death. This is why the CDC was able to add six “new” symptoms to “Covid” in April 2020, over four months after the common symptoms of pneumonia were first identified in patients in China, upon the introduction of mass testing. When one is labelled as a “Covid” case based upon a fraudulent test, any symptoms that they may or may not experience as well as any underlying health conditions that they may have had, become absorbed into the “Covid” umbrella. However, this amalgamation of unrelated symptoms joined together by way of PCR does not make “Covid” a new disease. It never was. It is simply the brand name for the positive PCR result, a result that is admittedly inaccurate when disease prevalence, which requires cases to be diagnosed clinically, is low. As “Covid” cannot be diagnosed clinically based upon specific signs and symptoms, there is no way to get an accurate disease prevalence rate in order to determine the accuracy of the PCR result. Thus, PCR is used to generate cases in order to calculate disease prevalence so that its results can be claimed as accurate. However, PCR cannot be used to create cases in order to determine its own accuracy. This is outright fraud, and it is the very reason why there was never any “viral pandemic.” It has always been, and will continue to be, a testing pandemic until enough people become aware of the truth and stop testing for a “new disease” that never existed in the first place.
The PCR test is indeed an absolute mess and conflated everything. However, Covid-19 respiratory disease presented with a relatively unique pattern, trajectory, and response to treatment. I have never in my life walked into an ICU where 24 patients were on ventilators with maximal settings with the same exact X-ray and same exact history of present illness. In fact, it was nearly impossible to remember patient's names because differentiating characteristics were few - normally, by the 2nd day of an ICU week, I know the patients names, treatments and diseases from memory. In Covid, it took many days before I could assign specifics to each patient as they were so similarly ill. Also know that I have taken care of two intubated patients with the flu in my entire career and only a few with RSV.
I'm repeating questions I had for ICU nurse Laura-Le below:
The conundrum of "happy hypoxemia" is very important. It was a big question during the early 2020 period. Subsequently I've seen the explanation that microthrombi were causing cyanosis of the fingers and thus causing O2Sat's as measured by pulse oximeters to be falsely low. What experience do you have of that? And, were you double-checking pulse oximeter measurements with arterial blood gases (and if so, taken from where?)? If you read this, Pierre, I would be interested in your reply as well.
Aerosole use as a transmission vector could account for the symptoms on steroids you observed in order to induce us all into believing we were in a pandemic when in fact it was a plandemic brought to us by the DoD and HHS, the vaccine was the real planned bio-weapon countermeasure brought to us by our murderous government. Read Constitutional laws in place to bring this to us allowing all players full immunity. See Katherine Watt at Bailiwick News stat.
Aside, I'm surprised that you have only taken care of two intubated patients with the flu. I was involved in the care of a pediatric patient with the flu during anesthesia residency and did not go into ICU critical care as you did.
Question: In your opinion, how toxic is Remdesivir? Is it reasonable to assume that Remdesivir had a great deal of responsibility for causing the progression of mild/moderate C19 illness to progress to an ARDS picture with renal failure?
Most laypeople don't seem to be aware that the use of midazolam/propofol, etc. in ventilated patients is a good thing, not a cause of morbidity or mortality. It is intolerant for a patient to be intubated without sedation, so one should expect the use of sedatives once the patient is intubated.
Do you deny that EXCESSIVE use of midalozam, propofol, fentanyl, morphine, etc. can cause patient death? I am neither a "layperson" nor an "expert" (in between the two), but I am fully aware that while the use of these drugs in appropriate, judicious amounts is generally a "necessary evil" in ventilated patients, the EXCESSIVE or INAPPROPRIATE use of these drugs absolutely can cause death, and many COVID patients were indeed victims of this tragic scenario. In addition to direct dangers of the drugs themselves, these drugs also induced prolonged ventilator dependence in patients whose lungs had recovered to at least a minimally adequate degree, thus in some cases enabling medical teams to prematurely withdraw care (terminally extubate) patients after misleading and pressuring their families that there was no hope or that their loved ones would "suffer forever" (very sadly, hospitals had certain incentives to prematurely give up on critically ill patients). The proof is in the pudding that many patients died needlessly: among the patients whose families refused to give up on them and did not consent to withdrawal of care in spite of immense pressure from the medical teams, the vast majority did ultimately survive (unless they developed sepsis, or other organ failure, etc. along the way) and achieved a quality of life that is infinitely preferable to death. Many published studies also show that the vast majority of COVID deaths were following withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treatment.
1) I addressed the issue of the normal use of sedatives and opiates in intubated patients in a critical care unit. You are suggesting that the MD's and nurses in those units were deliberating massively overdosing patients in order to murder them, despite the patient already being on life support. Could this have happened? I suppose so, but I find it unlikely unless basically hired killers were brought in disguised as doctors and nurses. In any doses resembling clinical doses, including the higher doses need for opioid addicts, e.g. when death occurs it is respiratory because of depressed ventilation. That isn't possible while on a ventilator.
2) In a normal ICU the issue of prolonged ventilator dependence caused by these drugs isn't a big issue. The drugs are withdrawn over time, the consciousness and the spontaneous respirations of the patient are monitored until an experienced MD, ICU nurse, or respiratory therapist, or some combination thereof, feels the patient can be weaned off the ventilator. Then the patient is extubated and monitoring continues. Sometimes the patient fails extubation and needs to be intubated and placed back on the ventilator. I don't think that doctors, nurses, and other caregivers in the hospitals were consciously murdering their patients. I wasn't there, but I spent a career working alongside such people and that is my opinion. I do think they may have been hoodwinked and even coerced into not going against the protocols. That's why I would like to have Dr Kory's opinion of remdesivir. It may have been the prime way the murders were committed. A top-down protocol from the CDC, written by Fauci, was sent to hospital administrators nationwide who were told that that protocol, which included remdesivir, should be used. And btw, the hospital will receive a great deal of money for such use.
3) Agreed: "many patients died needlessly." My question is how they were killed and I reject the theory that that was done by using sedatives and opiates in intubated/ventilated patients.
4) "Many published studies also show that the vast majority of Covid deaths were following withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treaatment." Please reference this with a few studies. If you can't do that I assume you were just bluffing with this sentence for some bizarre reason, because it makes no sense whatsoever.
Perhaps I should have been more clear- I am not saying that medical professionals "deliberately murdered" patients (if such a thing happened, I am sure it was very rare). But I AM saying that they knowingly provided negligent, inadequate, and sometimes dangerous care to patients- care that would never be provided to the likes of President Biden or President Trump (for instance, recall the course of Trump's COVID illness in 2020 and the details of the treatments that he received, both inexpensive and expensive, which Average Joes and Janes were deprived of).
And regarding your item 2, the obvious problem which I wrote about above is that the ventilator dependence caused by these drugs enabled the inappropriate and unwarranted TERMINAL EXTUBUATION of many patients. Again, I am not saying that medical teams "deliberately murdered" patients, but I am saying that they let patients die who could have been saved, probably largely because they were incentivized and even pressured to prematurely give up on patients. And on that note, what about the inappropriate and excessive use of sedatives in non-ventilated COVID patients "for comfort"- do you disagree that this can actually cause death in such patients whose respiratory status is already compromised? Regarding remdesivir, I think it is quite ineffective and at least somewhat unsafe, but based on RCT and other evidence I highly doubt that remdesivir alone was a major cause of deaths in COVID patients- I really think that the deprivation of effective treatments along with the excessive and inappropriate use of mechanical ventilators and sedatives were much bigger culprits than remdesivir.
Finally, here is a study that reported 77% of COVID deaths occurred after withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining treatment: "Withdrawal or limitation of life-sustaining interventions occurred in 76.8%, including 37 (45.1%) who were terminally extubated before death." https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/10.1513/AnnalsATS.202011-1381RL.
Another study that clearly affirms what went on: "COVID patients were younger, less frail, less severely ill with lower SOFA score, but were treated more often with invasive mechanical ventilation (MV) and had a lower 30-day survival...For COVID patients, withholding and withdrawing of LST were more frequent than for non-COVID and the 30-day survival was almost half compared to non-COVID patients." https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-022-06642-z
1) It goes without saying that medical care in the US will vary depending on the economic and social status of the patient.
2) Regarding item 2, if excessive sedation is used in patients who are extubated and are not being continuously monitored there is definitely risk of respiratory depression causing hypoxia and organ damage as well as death. No question. I don't know the extent that that happened. It may have happened a lot. It may not have happened so often. And because a positive PCR test was often used as the confirmation of an illness being Covid, we don't even know how many of those deaths were actually Covid patients, as opposed to misdiagnosed.
3) I keep asking about Remdesivir, to RN Laura Lee and Dr. Pierre Kory, because I don't personally have any experience with it and I would like to get a clinical picture of how it was used, if suspicions were raised about it causing organ (specifically kidney and liver) failure. You are making a lot of assumptions, like "regarding remdesivir, I think it is quite ineffective and at least somewhat unsafe," that I am not willing to make as I don't have the personal observations or witness observations to draw those conclusions for certain. I read the original study in which remdesivir was part of a treatment for Ebola. That treatment arm did slightly worse than the other two arms, but not dramatically worse. They all had high mortality rates which just reflected treatment of a very high mortality disease. In my mind it didn't really say much about remdesivir as a treatment for Covid and I've never seen a good explanation for why remdesivir came off Gilead's shelf to treat Covid, other than the fact that Fauci recommended it and a scheme was promoted to reward hospitals for using it.
4) As far as the ATS journal reference is concerned: in the first place, it's not a study at all. It's a letter to the editor which gives it little scientific weight. There are 82 patients identified as Covid positive, but no further definition of what that is. Of those 82 patients, 58 underwent IMV (intermittent mandatory ventilation). Of those 37 were undergoing IMV at the time of death. 21 had been treated with IMV, but were not at the time of death. We have no idea how much time transpired between the removal of the IMV and death. Two minutes? Two days? Two weeks? If you can draw conclusions from that letter to the editor I don't see how. I can't. But you say that it "clearly affirms what went on?"
5) As for the second reference the authors " aimed to compare the characteristics and mortality of very old critically ill patients with or without COVID-19 with a focus on LLST." It becomes clear reading the article that the authors consider the apparent shortage of ICU beds in Europe (where the majority of patients were recruited) to have been a factor in determining selection of patients at triage. Though the numbers are not given, it appears that a large number of very ill, old patients were denied admission to hospitals and sent back to their living quarters to die. A decision appears to have been made to preferentially select fitter , less ill Covid patients for admission. However, those patients did not fare as well as the more frail, non-Covid patients. Again, no mention is made as to how the diagnosis of Covid is made. Assuming that a positive PCR test was the main requirement for positive diagnosis we have the same problem as in the first reference. We don't really know how treatments differed between the two cohorts. Presumably the non-Covid patients did not receive remdesivir and if the Covid patients did, that could be a huge variable in terms of outcome. The authors draw the conclusion that although the Covid patients were less frail at admission, they tended to have a more aggressive disease than their matched cohorts. Remembering Pierre Kory's Senate testimony I would tend to think that that may have been the case, though I don't think this article proves that by any means. Heck, because of the way "Covid" cases were identified at the time we can't even be sure of the diagnosis of these elderly, very sick patients. I don't think a case is made in either of these articles for what you are looking for.
In sum, we can't even be sure of the total number of patients that actually did die from Covid virus. The one thing I agree with Bob Malone on is that all the data has been tampered with. My own feeling based on what I have read is that there were Covid deaths, probably about the same number as during a difficult influenza year, and that it was hyped dramatically with all the attendant restrictions, mandates, treatment withholds, and fear-mongering so that the real goal of injecting as many people as possible with Bioweapon #2 could be accomplished. The deaths from the vaxx far outweigh those of the virus, with or without the misuse of ventilation, remdesivir, or any other malpractice used.
Then can you please explain why these particular CNS depressant drugs were given in massive doses to patients w breathing difficulties? This was clearly deliberate especially when you factor in the isolation from their families or any other legal advocate. As a chronic pain sufferer I can barely get enough pain med to be functional.
I've already answered that in my previous reply. If large numbers of non-intubated patients were overdosed with narcotics and sedatives and then not monitored while they succumbed to respiratory arrest I've not heard of it.
I'm sorry about your chronic pain and I don't want to make light of it but I guess you had bad timing. During the '90's the authorities basically commanded doctors to throw scheduled (narcotic) drugs at chronic pain patients. I thought it was bizarre at the time but I didn't realize it was probably deliberately done as part of a campaign to spread opioid dependency in the US population. It was quite successful, unfortunately.