A response to some readers disappointment with the settlement plus details of another interesting aspect of the case that I did not include in my original post.
Didn't the FDA just redact 145 pages of myocarditis data that they were court ordered to publicly release? Same would have happened during your case discovery. Our government is getting away with murder.
The agency is "getting" away, but licensing board members are the ones who will be left holding the bag.
The FDA no doubt rests contentedly now that it has cleverly settled the case and forestalled discovery. However, there are now sundry licensing board members across the nation who just had the carpet yanked out from under them.
How would you like to be a board member right now and realize that the hammer you brought down on physicians--outside of your Board charter, mind you--is now without legal cause? Board members are probably calling attorneys right now.
I've never understood why plaintiffs would expect someone they're suing, someone they allege commited fraud and wrongdoing, would do anything other than deny the existence of incriminating material via discovery.
I guess if you know, and can prove, they have it, in you could catch them in a lie when they deny it. Maybe the judge will care?
Because astoundingly, some fair amount of time, they do produce the docs. This may be due to overlooking their importance, the lawyers are ethical, and/or production of docs was sloppy with no oversight.. I have been quite surprised by some disclosures.
Congratulations to you, the other plaintiffs and the attorneys on this “win” against corrupted big govt. We developed a nasal spray which inhibits adhesion of viruses and bacteria to the nasopharyngeal membranes. It is basically salt water, fulvic and soap! We have been using this formula for over 20 years after many articles have shown that biofilm bacteria are best dealt with by clearing the biofilms with nothing more toxic than soap! The only problem is it is cheap and effective! So after 20 yrs of use for chronic rhinosinusitis we distributed it immediately for patients with Covid since it also helped other upper respiratory viruses. Now the FDA has gone after us that we are promoting a product as a “cure” for Covid which we never did. We make the claim that it reduces the symptoms associated with bacterial and viral URI’s. I’ve had enough of dealing with these rogue agencies. They forced Amazon to pull the product. We continue to distribute it to patients with CRS. Our results of over 10,000 applications reveal NO side effects (as you’d expect), and the only criticism from less than 0.2% of patients is that it feels too strong and burns a bit. It reduces and eliminates crusting associated with chronic staph infections in the nose as well.
Many of us would like to know. I, personally, would like to include a link in my "Red Pill" library. You can email me relevant info: beyondc19@substack.com ~ Thanks in advance!
I'm hoping Dr. Kerner will reply to our requests - looks like it's been removed from his website - due to the government situation? It looks like a great product for all sorts of sinus issues!
Great, it is not new or even particularly innovative to prevent bacteria from proliferateing in
NP membranes. The virus story is a tag along fantasy. The real product development would be a suppository for Covidiocy. Where in the development process is that?
Chronic staph in nose ought to be easily treatable. Unfortunatley the person suffering
is doint the exact same things that cause the infection over and over.
Natural therapeutics rarely have adverse effects, easily mitigated.
Dr Kory, Ive followed you since 2020. As a parent of vaxx injured adult kids, and whose mother was injured and killed by Moderna, and whose sister became psychotic : If I said what I was thinking about these psychopaths who you couldn't expose legally, Id be arrested. THANKYOU for your morals tenacity and refusal to violate patients rights. You are a Tsadek. ( holy person)
I completely agree with Pierre that Senator Johnson should request and obtain the information that could have been discovered had the case proceeded. In this way, we benefit from both the capitulation of the FDA in their request and agreement to settle, and we also get the information from Weber Shandwick - the PR firm allegedly behind the horse dewormer propaganda ad campaign. Once again, Bravo Dr. Kory.
So sad that these criminals can not be put to justice but it seems to clear the way to comment freely on how their LIES about IVM affected those who might’ve been saved, as they just admitted that lie.
We are so thankful for your good work and your intellectual honesty, curiosity, and integrity. My hero!
Thank you, Pierre for all you do. And for your generous transparency on this issue. Of course, people are frustrated that the bastards might be getting away with something here. Our gov't avoided discovery, which is where a plaintiff gets to actually see "under the hood" a bit. Or, at least, that is the promise. As you say, under advice from Bowden Grey, your expert law firm, our (sic) government would have been able to not disclose their real actions and words. So let's raise a glass to you and your team!! You scored a limited, partial, and very meaningful victory. Good on you! And you shared your thought process and the team's process. And you showed us that Sen Johnson (along with others - Schmitt and Paul) are not unaware and they are looking at other ways to take back our deep administrative case.
I appreciate the background on the legal aspects. Amazing how the Government can just basically lie with immunity vis destruction of evidence or claiming false national security claims etc. Again there has been no consequences to the individuals who did this so they will do it again in the next planned pandemic and they will figure out how to shut down access to real facts with even more efficiency.
The government very often obscures discovery, and it takes big, big $ (and more) to cause enough hassle to the government to *maybe* get good discovery in a lawsuit. But good discovery has certainly been accomplished by litigators experienced in suing the government.
In this case, it sounds like the government would have dragged the suit on for many more years, and that the settlement we did get will be helpful in a couple of ways. Moreover, we have gained experience in litigating these type of suits, as well.
It sounds like Plaintiff doctors got roughly what they set out to get from the lawsuit,and that is indeed wonderful. It's easy for us to forget what they continue to do daily for us. I'm very happy for them.
One other aspect to consider: Most lawyers NEVER thought Boyden Gray would be successful... and Boyden proved them wrong (i.e. they suspected the FDA would drag it on for years or get a dismissal etc). So not only was it a win, but it was a surprise win
Yet the "victory" feels hollow and so very incomplete. Kudos, regardless; but it's time for these legal eagles to start thinking outside the box and outside of the parameters the matrix has provided as the "norm" -- just as "y'all" 😉 had to do. There has to be some other approach (constitutional) to be used. We can do better. Perhaps it requires not using the broken, captured, corrupt system to fix the broken, captured, corrupt system.
No, we didn’t get them convicted for banning life-saving medicine & that’s VERY regrettable....but the FDA settling like this is a de facto admission of wrongdoing.
Whatever they may say, there’s no other real conclusion apart from this: they are withdrawing their LIES because they know they are indefensible.
This leaves the way open for accusations of murder / manslaughter.
One argument against them will be precisely this de facto admission that it was WRONG to withhold IVM. From there, the argument can be made that it was LETHAL.
The FDA is corrupt, and even the lawyers involved still must circulate in the nasty aquarium that is the swampy DC/MajorMetro Axis Americana. They can only go “so far” and still be allowed to practice and socialize, etc. They pulled the sled as far as can realistically be expected. Fine.
The beauty now is that the FDA shield is vaporized and the little vermin that populate the US medical licensing boards are naked.
THOSE are the ones who shall pay dearly in the court of law going forward, because, really and truly, THEY were the tip of the spear that delivered the harm to the physicians around the nation.
The fear of a licensed physician is loss of income, whether it be lawsuit damages or loss of license. Ironically, fear of negative patient outcome was secondary, because physicians hewed to the FDA demands in the face of dying patients. So, let that stand for eternity as to how altruistic the medical profession’s members were/are. The walked the walk.
See the response posted in Kory’s first posting. It’s a high level map of how to till the landscape going forward and rid the soil of the vermin that infest it.
Never forget—never…it’s the man on the street who is communism’s most effective agent in securing control of the population and any particular segment within it. Always the little guy. When the little guys won’t or can’t do their little duties en masse, then the ruse fails. The board members are those little guys. And, individually, they go down like flies before lawsuits that are well thought out and justified by prior findings of fact or settlements in court.
Pierre ~ Just wondering where things stand now for all the doctors who lost their licenses b/c of medical boards enforcing the criminal edicts of the FDA . . . .
Is there a chance this ruling will open the doors now for our medical heroes to petition to have their licenses restored?
Look at the high profiles examples like Merle Nass, Christine Northrup, Tenpeny, stateside, much worse in Chinada, Australia, Germany
Bankrupting a renegade and drawing out Board hearings, IDE tribunals, proceedings and hearings are the strategies. Usually closed to public scrutiny, difficult costly appeals.
The only difference is that Covidiocy has speed up public awareness a thousand percent. That is why people declare (as they should) that they well NEVER trust the Medical Professon again. Unfortunately the few honest docs are caught in the crossfire.
the only possible benefit is for those who realize these agencies do not now,
nor ever, have your interests. They work to facilitate and legitimize themself for a hapless (and quite frankly clueless consumer) who revolves in and out the custom built outrage room. Even so its hollow. Would love to be wrong and happy to eat a large slice of humble pie. Let me know, Sandra, when the pie is ready, please.
We have even better tricks in Australia with the Therapeutic Drugs Administration(TGA) that is paid for by big Pharma and gives Objective analysis for the public(Yeah right)
They have done their own secret analysis of the vaccines and refuse to release it due to Commercial confidentiality.
They have turned over 1000K deaths after/related? to the vaccine to less than 20 with criteria that is secret.
And if an FOI is used they can stall and claim the work is "ongoing" which means it cannot be FOI.
If anyone wants to test any medical product, Australia is perfect!!
TGA approves anything with no oversight..
And, the majority of the population is so docile, that they don`t care....
Didn't the FDA just redact 145 pages of myocarditis data that they were court ordered to publicly release? Same would have happened during your case discovery. Our government is getting away with murder.
100%
The agency is "getting" away, but licensing board members are the ones who will be left holding the bag.
The FDA no doubt rests contentedly now that it has cleverly settled the case and forestalled discovery. However, there are now sundry licensing board members across the nation who just had the carpet yanked out from under them.
How would you like to be a board member right now and realize that the hammer you brought down on physicians--outside of your Board charter, mind you--is now without legal cause? Board members are probably calling attorneys right now.
Good. They should be calling attorneys for what they did.
Let the finger pointing begin. Not making any excuses for a board member.
Complacent is complicit. Lives were lost, death and disability has zero excuses.
The mouthpieces will have a field day.
have said for months that when the finger pointing begins the collapse is imminent... seems that threshold and the chaos approaches
I suspect the Medical Cartel will crumble as it should. It is a pity that honest renegades will be caught in the crossfire.
Yeah, I am on the trial lawyers side after this one.
I've never understood why plaintiffs would expect someone they're suing, someone they allege commited fraud and wrongdoing, would do anything other than deny the existence of incriminating material via discovery.
I guess if you know, and can prove, they have it, in you could catch them in a lie when they deny it. Maybe the judge will care?
Because astoundingly, some fair amount of time, they do produce the docs. This may be due to overlooking their importance, the lawyers are ethical, and/or production of docs was sloppy with no oversight.. I have been quite surprised by some disclosures.
Yup, the gubmint done it, although Big P and the Medical Cartel were da foot soldiers
Lets play who done it!
Congratulations to you, the other plaintiffs and the attorneys on this “win” against corrupted big govt. We developed a nasal spray which inhibits adhesion of viruses and bacteria to the nasopharyngeal membranes. It is basically salt water, fulvic and soap! We have been using this formula for over 20 years after many articles have shown that biofilm bacteria are best dealt with by clearing the biofilms with nothing more toxic than soap! The only problem is it is cheap and effective! So after 20 yrs of use for chronic rhinosinusitis we distributed it immediately for patients with Covid since it also helped other upper respiratory viruses. Now the FDA has gone after us that we are promoting a product as a “cure” for Covid which we never did. We make the claim that it reduces the symptoms associated with bacterial and viral URI’s. I’ve had enough of dealing with these rogue agencies. They forced Amazon to pull the product. We continue to distribute it to patients with CRS. Our results of over 10,000 applications reveal NO side effects (as you’d expect), and the only criticism from less than 0.2% of patients is that it feels too strong and burns a bit. It reduces and eliminates crusting associated with chronic staph infections in the nose as well.
So much for our regulatory agencies….
You say it’s cheap and effective.
I’m guessing it’s cheap, safe & effective! :-)
What is the name of your nasal wash?
For sure, I'd like to find out more too. Send us an email or URL re the data.
Many of us would like to know. I, personally, would like to include a link in my "Red Pill" library. You can email me relevant info: beyondc19@substack.com ~ Thanks in advance!
> Library: BeyondC19.org
> Prevention & Early Treatment: https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/ef787e7ea4fe
https://www.calwestent.com/novid/
I think this it it.
Thanks! Appreciate the URL.
Sold out...
I'm hoping Dr. Kerner will reply to our requests - looks like it's been removed from his website - due to the government situation? It looks like a great product for all sorts of sinus issues!
That would explain a lot . . . and not surprising at all, under current circumstances.
Great, it is not new or even particularly innovative to prevent bacteria from proliferateing in
NP membranes. The virus story is a tag along fantasy. The real product development would be a suppository for Covidiocy. Where in the development process is that?
Chronic staph in nose ought to be easily treatable. Unfortunatley the person suffering
is doint the exact same things that cause the infection over and over.
Natural therapeutics rarely have adverse effects, easily mitigated.
Colloidal silver nasal spray world great. Hubs cured his years-long chronic post-nasal drip with just a few doses.
What are you blind?
Your product indicates it's sold out on your website - is it available anywhere else?
Dr Kory, Ive followed you since 2020. As a parent of vaxx injured adult kids, and whose mother was injured and killed by Moderna, and whose sister became psychotic : If I said what I was thinking about these psychopaths who you couldn't expose legally, Id be arrested. THANKYOU for your morals tenacity and refusal to violate patients rights. You are a Tsadek. ( holy person)
Maybe tweet out to the FDA "You are not a nurse, you are not a doctor, seriously, y'all, STOP IT" - or swmething similar...
Doing it now :)
🤣👍🙌
Ooh. Good one!!! Love it!
🐴 y’all!
That's fabulous!
I love that!
Dr. Kory, Please take Ron Johnson up on his knowledgeable offer to write the two letters.
Absolutely
I completely agree with Pierre that Senator Johnson should request and obtain the information that could have been discovered had the case proceeded. In this way, we benefit from both the capitulation of the FDA in their request and agreement to settle, and we also get the information from Weber Shandwick - the PR firm allegedly behind the horse dewormer propaganda ad campaign. Once again, Bravo Dr. Kory.
Agreed on all points!
Ha! Good luck getting it!
Bravo for the good fight
So sad that these criminals can not be put to justice but it seems to clear the way to comment freely on how their LIES about IVM affected those who might’ve been saved, as they just admitted that lie.
We are so thankful for your good work and your intellectual honesty, curiosity, and integrity. My hero!
Thank you, Pierre for all you do. And for your generous transparency on this issue. Of course, people are frustrated that the bastards might be getting away with something here. Our gov't avoided discovery, which is where a plaintiff gets to actually see "under the hood" a bit. Or, at least, that is the promise. As you say, under advice from Bowden Grey, your expert law firm, our (sic) government would have been able to not disclose their real actions and words. So let's raise a glass to you and your team!! You scored a limited, partial, and very meaningful victory. Good on you! And you shared your thought process and the team's process. And you showed us that Sen Johnson (along with others - Schmitt and Paul) are not unaware and they are looking at other ways to take back our deep administrative case.
I appreciate the background on the legal aspects. Amazing how the Government can just basically lie with immunity vis destruction of evidence or claiming false national security claims etc. Again there has been no consequences to the individuals who did this so they will do it again in the next planned pandemic and they will figure out how to shut down access to real facts with even more efficiency.
The government very often obscures discovery, and it takes big, big $ (and more) to cause enough hassle to the government to *maybe* get good discovery in a lawsuit. But good discovery has certainly been accomplished by litigators experienced in suing the government.
In this case, it sounds like the government would have dragged the suit on for many more years, and that the settlement we did get will be helpful in a couple of ways. Moreover, we have gained experience in litigating these type of suits, as well.
It sounds like Plaintiff doctors got roughly what they set out to get from the lawsuit,and that is indeed wonderful. It's easy for us to forget what they continue to do daily for us. I'm very happy for them.
One other aspect to consider: Most lawyers NEVER thought Boyden Gray would be successful... and Boyden proved them wrong (i.e. they suspected the FDA would drag it on for years or get a dismissal etc). So not only was it a win, but it was a surprise win
Yet the "victory" feels hollow and so very incomplete. Kudos, regardless; but it's time for these legal eagles to start thinking outside the box and outside of the parameters the matrix has provided as the "norm" -- just as "y'all" 😉 had to do. There has to be some other approach (constitutional) to be used. We can do better. Perhaps it requires not using the broken, captured, corrupt system to fix the broken, captured, corrupt system.
indeed legal victories are about feelings
Lawful remedy is very very different from a legal proceding
It is a corrupt Maritime Law legal system, lawyers play in that arena
they know its fraudulent
Exactly the problem.
Dreamer.
I see. That's good.
the issue is the "legal" profession
not sure amazing is the right word, how about criminal?
We are dealing with a clown show.
Everyone has something bad to say about attorneys until they need a really good one.
Also, many attorneys are well-trained, and do the best they can for their clients.
yup dats it Alicia cowboys and injuns, bad cop, good cop
Just like a mechanic good ones and bad ones
Dr Kory - it IS a victory.
No, we didn’t get them convicted for banning life-saving medicine & that’s VERY regrettable....but the FDA settling like this is a de facto admission of wrongdoing.
Whatever they may say, there’s no other real conclusion apart from this: they are withdrawing their LIES because they know they are indefensible.
This leaves the way open for accusations of murder / manslaughter.
One argument against them will be precisely this de facto admission that it was WRONG to withhold IVM. From there, the argument can be made that it was LETHAL.
You have done good work and should be PROUD!
The settlement is perfect; here’s why.
The FDA is corrupt, and even the lawyers involved still must circulate in the nasty aquarium that is the swampy DC/MajorMetro Axis Americana. They can only go “so far” and still be allowed to practice and socialize, etc. They pulled the sled as far as can realistically be expected. Fine.
The beauty now is that the FDA shield is vaporized and the little vermin that populate the US medical licensing boards are naked.
THOSE are the ones who shall pay dearly in the court of law going forward, because, really and truly, THEY were the tip of the spear that delivered the harm to the physicians around the nation.
The fear of a licensed physician is loss of income, whether it be lawsuit damages or loss of license. Ironically, fear of negative patient outcome was secondary, because physicians hewed to the FDA demands in the face of dying patients. So, let that stand for eternity as to how altruistic the medical profession’s members were/are. The walked the walk.
See the response posted in Kory’s first posting. It’s a high level map of how to till the landscape going forward and rid the soil of the vermin that infest it.
Never forget—never…it’s the man on the street who is communism’s most effective agent in securing control of the population and any particular segment within it. Always the little guy. When the little guys won’t or can’t do their little duties en masse, then the ruse fails. The board members are those little guys. And, individually, they go down like flies before lawsuits that are well thought out and justified by prior findings of fact or settlements in court.
Pierre ~ Just wondering where things stand now for all the doctors who lost their licenses b/c of medical boards enforcing the criminal edicts of the FDA . . . .
Is there a chance this ruling will open the doors now for our medical heroes to petition to have their licenses restored?
I'd like the boards to be sued.
it is a state by state, case by drawn out issue
Look at the high profiles examples like Merle Nass, Christine Northrup, Tenpeny, stateside, much worse in Chinada, Australia, Germany
Bankrupting a renegade and drawing out Board hearings, IDE tribunals, proceedings and hearings are the strategies. Usually closed to public scrutiny, difficult costly appeals.
The only difference is that Covidiocy has speed up public awareness a thousand percent. That is why people declare (as they should) that they well NEVER trust the Medical Professon again. Unfortunately the few honest docs are caught in the crossfire.
the swamp is much larger, it includes the Maritime legal system, corrupt to the core
That is why astute peeps recognize a hollow victory when the players go right back to pandering
I am not proposing a solution, simply amplifying the problem
Hollow?
This is a defense victory 100%.
let me help you Sandra
Hollow: Having a cavity, gap, or space within.
Deeply indented or concave; sunken.
Without substance or character: synonym: vain.
It is hollow in this context as it will go nowhere and exactly no one will be accoutable or implicated. Admissions from ABC agencies are thus hollow.
the only possible benefit is for those who realize these agencies do not now,
nor ever, have your interests. They work to facilitate and legitimize themself for a hapless (and quite frankly clueless consumer) who revolves in and out the custom built outrage room. Even so its hollow. Would love to be wrong and happy to eat a large slice of humble pie. Let me know, Sandra, when the pie is ready, please.
The reasons SubStacks are such a powerful outreach is not because of winning mini debates.
It is because like other forums the lurkers are many thousand per poster.
In this way influential reasoning, or even question asking is extremely important and potentially useful
What we can hope for is for some of those people involved in the evil thinking twice once they realize their parent, spouse or child has been harmed!
"all occurred… on the telephone. So no record could be provided" - Just ask No Such Agency. I'm sure they have a copy or twelve LOL
Ooh. Good one. Bam.
GOD bless you PK - you & your team done good. Baby steps - the turtle wins in the end, with our Lord on our side ...
We have even better tricks in Australia with the Therapeutic Drugs Administration(TGA) that is paid for by big Pharma and gives Objective analysis for the public(Yeah right)
They have done their own secret analysis of the vaccines and refuse to release it due to Commercial confidentiality.
They have turned over 1000K deaths after/related? to the vaccine to less than 20 with criteria that is secret.
And if an FOI is used they can stall and claim the work is "ongoing" which means it cannot be FOI.
If anyone wants to test any medical product, Australia is perfect!!
TGA approves anything with no oversight..
And, the majority of the population is so docile, that they don`t care....
That's so sad!
Like Ron Johnson said, "...one bite at a time"
when the FDA says "there's no evidence IVM can successfully treat covid", remember this:
https://c19ivm.org/
💯 - Plus all the other evidence *beyond* the clinical trials:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/a0b243a07622
Will the doctors have their licenses reinstated rapidly?
That's not an FDA issue, but we'll see.