In a What's App group chat, a number of data experts and scientists have been debating this question with front-line clinicians. Here I compile the debate arguments.
I can’t believe that people are still arguing that there was not a novel virus (or any virus at all). They have sequenced the virus. It spread along travel routes. It was not massively more dangerous than other respiratory illnesses for most, but was dangerous for the elderly, the obese, and the immunocompromised. The cluster of symptoms that developed were, well, clustered, varying with the variant, with general progression from more dangerous to less dangerous over time as would be expected. And, as anyone who has children knows, yes, colds and other respiratory illnesses spread through close contact - but there can be variations based on the particulars of the contact (e.f., viral load exposures), what is occurring at the time (amount of touching, time to washing, etc.) and strength of immune systems.
There is literally nothing about the COVID-19 pandemic that makes me question whether or not a novel coronavirus (related to other coronavirus and subject to some level of cross immunity) came out of China and spread around the globe. Sure, the reaction was over-wrought, to include medical protocols that killed people who otherwise would have survived (most notably, premature placement on ventilator and/or intubation). Sure, the Diamond Princess data suggested a dangerous but not-too dangerous virus. Sure, the not-tested-enough vaccines are likely worse for the human population than the disease, particularly when forced on pregnant women and children had statistically zero risk from the viruses. But that doesn’t change the basics - a respiratory virus with unique genetic coding that was highly transmissible and particularly dangerous to certain subsets of the population, causing breakouts in groups such as Orthodox Jews near NYC that don’t exactly vape at any notable rate, nor exposed, what, to sudden onset environmental factors?
I find that group’s arguments absolutely ridiculous - a”long the lines of a psy-op intended to make folks who are reasonably skeptical of the official narrative look ridiculous (and I came over here from randomly finding their post). The notion that they are serious people is, to me, unsupported by any evidence. Just a bunch of bad faith argumentation.
I read that konvid was just a reclassification of other ILIs (influenza like illnesses) post-medical-martial-law.
that theory aligns with the reduction in reported "flu" cases vs the reported konvid cases for 2020 in the US, and also is explicitly mentioned as a tactic to increase acceptance of flu injections and allow the use of mRNA in humans (previous to late 2020 never approved in any country in the world) at the following fraudci and friends symposium from late 2019:
When you wrote that the initial symptoms of covid were difficult to separate from normal colds, flus and pneumonias - until the symptoms progressed in a small number of people - it reminded me of Dr Chetty's testimony at the Grand jury.
Dr Chetty treated the cytokine storm as an allergic reaction to the body breaking down some part of the pathogen (he thought it was the spike protein part). Just like any allergic reaction, some people are hypersensitive, others are mildly sensitive, some people are not affected at all. He monitored his outpatients particularly on the 7th and 8th day as their body was breaking down the pathogen, and if they experienced worsening symptoms, he gave them an antihistamine, just like you give anyone experiencing and intense allergic reaction. I don't think any of his patients died. Fascinating testimony at a grand jury, he starts speaking at 3 hours and 45 minutes.
Dr. Kory, you will forever remain a hero in my world. I will always be thankful I by chance found you in early in my search. I will never forget watching as you gave a speech or talk to a few Senators.....I believe Ron Johnson asked you to come and “educate” other elected officials. The thing that “got” me most was your passion, You seemed to have tears ready to fall as you described the patients you were being called here and there to treat..You Words..”I cannot keep doing this....seeing so many previously healthy patients die”......Again I thank you and always will hold you in BIG regard for just being Dr.Pierre Kory......what a clinician and human.
I see a stealth, 2 front, bioweapon attack on the west, by evil resident in both the US and China, in furtherance of the total control, genetically engineered, dystopian future envisioned for earth by evil at inner levels working in conjunction with embodied evil on Earth.
I see that sars-cov-2 and certain of the variants were ccp/pla bioweapon lab "created" with US technology, developed by the "US" bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure / cia/military / industrial/pharma complex.
I see that this technology was given / transfered to "china" in part by fauci et al. and any of this technology needed that was not given was taken, stolen, or developed by the "chinese" communist party/people's liberation army (ccp/pla) bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure / intelligence/military / industrial/pharma complex.
Then this ccp/pla complex, using "US" bioweapon lab technology, "created" sars-cov-2 from sars-cov parts from both bat and pangolin* already on the ccp/pla bioweapon lab shelf prior to 2018.
*a part with exceptional human ACE 2 binding ability from the RBM/RBD of the spike of a pangolin sars-cov virus was "recombined" in the process used to "create" sars-cov-2. see the March 22, 2020 "US" complex "hide in plain sight" limited hangout, zoonotic origin / wet market infection epicenter, mis/dis/mal information propaganda piece "Emergence of SARS-CoV-2 through recombination and strong purifying selection" note; initially, until removal, the supplementary data to this article included a "fine exemplar" spreadsheet showing on the vertical, line by line, 3533 individual tissue samples taken from ~18? sick pangolins. Virus types found in each tissue sample, averaging close to 10 per sample, were listed horizontally - sars-cov was found in sick pangolin #7 and more in sick pangolin #8 most likely the "guilty party" supplying a human ACE 2 binding affinity enhancement identified in sars-cov-2.
Then this ccp/pla complex did what it would do - develop a countermeasure vaccine and do human testing while continuing to bioweaponize their sars-cov-2, most particularly the spike*, with various bioweapon toxin inserts and virulence inhibited toxin inserts and continue to do countermeasure vaccine testing on humans. *note; Whole spike which was by that time well "noised abroad" as the choice coronavirus antigen for coding countermeasure agent mRNA.
During this ccp/pla bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure development process*, in the March 2018 time frame, a virulence inhibited early sars-cov-2 began to spread across China, Asia Pacific and into areas of Chinese contact in Africa developing widespread immunity to sars-cov-2 in the population of those areas which lasted until the immunity breakthrough and increased virulence changes developed into sars-cov-2 seen in the Delta variant. see The Ethical Skeptic "China’s CCP Concealed SARS-CoV-2 Presence in China as Far Back as March 2018 https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/
*the modus operandi MO of a bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure complex is FIRST DEVELOP THE BIOWEAPON
Then a breakdown of virulence inhibition? or a leak or breakthrough infection? or a DELIBERATE DECISION to release a virulent sars-cov-2 and THE DELIBERATE DECISION made by the ccp/pla to use all means necessary to suppress and stop the spread of covid-19 in China and THE DELIBERATE DECISION made by the ccp/pla to use all means necessary then to insure that that initial release sars-cov-2 spread the world and that certain subsequent variants developed and released in conjunction with vaccine testing in foreign countries also spread, South African variant, most virulent Gamma P1 in Brazil, or spread across the world and such as Delta and then the case of Omicron. Omicron with the prion creating spike insert toxin now removed. The prion creating spike insert toxin present in prior variants and replicated by mRNA in the whole spike "vaccine " antigen.
This OMICRON ALLOWED TO SPREAD THROUGH CHINA reportedly doing relatively little damage to the people of China whose immune systems it appears were mostly protected from repeated infections and repeated mRMA injections creating toxic whole spike and doing other damage which made Omicron reportedly much more debilitating and killing in the multiple infection / multiple injection "west".
imo - All Total, fact + fact + fact, shows a ccp/pla 2 front , stealth, "unlimited war", "economic war", bioweapon attack on the west. Front #1) sars-cov-2 + "developed" immune escape variants, front #2) ccp/pla tradecraft + fear-inducing showmanship with highly visible terrible deaths, people filmed dropping dead, staged?,on China streets. Where else in the world did we see this happening before "vaccines"? Apartment doors welded shut, massive spraying and fogging of the streets and public spaces and the phenomenal construction of hospitals in weeks which were shortly to be closed down.. Quite the show. Quite the FEAR FEAR FEAR producing show inducing the west to use "their" long planned "countermeasure" Mrna to now generate the ccp/pla bio-engineered toxic "slow kill" "spike" for its "vaccine" antigen. Infection, injection, infection, injection, infection, injection death and debilitation in the west, China largely protected with widespread prior immunity until delta with actual lock downs and conventional vaccines. "chinese" Go players vs complicit "western" checkers players.
The facts that the surveillance state ccp/pla "china" 100% knew what was circulating person to person in wuhan and 100% deliberately worked to conceal this while working to keep travel open from wuhan to the world shows ccp/pla intent at best to "never let a good crisis go to waste" if the release was somehow not deliberate, while providing "pandemic explanation" cover with 2 "red herring" (ethical skeptic) trails 1) zoonotic origin with wet market outbreak center, to be supported by the west's complicit US bioweapon / bioweapon countermeasure / military / industrial / pharma complex, with full knowledge as to the origin of sars-cov-2, as a cover for their own complicit gain of function (gain of effect) "contribution" the furin cleavage site, the "2", the pandemic level of human to human transmission, in sars-cov-2 and other technology transferred to and taken by the ccp/pla and used by the ccp/pla for the lab recombination "creation" of sars-cov-2. Effective zoonotic "cover" for 3 years yet still being debunked leading to
"red herring" (ethical skeptic) trail 2) "ACCIDENTAL" lab release. How long for this to be debunked?
.... . evil here evil there - evil won round "covid"
I read with interest your rebutle and see within it evidence for a respiratory virus mixed with evidence for something which is not common to a respiratory virus.
Would you agree with that observation?
If so, could it be that something other than a respiratory virus but that appears common to a respiratory virus was in fact one and the same agent falsely named SARS-COV-2?
The reason for my question is that I have now had Omicron Covid-19 twice with identical symptoms but with two very different outcomes possibly related to the two different approaches I took to mitigation.
In the first instance I treated it as a respiratory virus. I used antiviral nasal spray and Betadin gargle in combination with 10,000IU vitamin D3, vitamin K2 and Zinc.
It presented as a severe flu with sinus inflammation, headache, kidney pain, fever, aching muscles/joints, extreme fatigue, sore throat, running nose, and a dry cough with associated chest pain during coughing.
This was my condition for three days before I began to recover which took another 2-3 days. I was left with a dry cough for about 3 months.
By comparison, I got exactly the same set symptoms last Sunday almost 2 years later. This time I used a 7mg nicotine patch first applied on Monday afternoon as well as 10mg Phenylephrine HCI nasal decongestant as oral tablets besides the same vitamin D3, K2, and Zinc protocol.
By Tuesday morning I was pain free but still had a running nose and a dry cough. By Wednesday I was well again apart from the odd dry cough which has now gone. I stopped application of the decongestant on Wednesday and nicotine patches on Thursday.
The healing process was far more rapid and complete than on the first occasion.
I have never been vaccinated for Covid-19 and I have never smoked or vapped.
I am going to assume you are familiar with Dr Bryan Ardis work concerning the evidence for SARS-COV-2 being a bioweapon rather than a virus and his simple antidote being application of 7mg nicotine patches.
I deeply appreciate the work you and your fellow clinicians have done and continue to do towards understanding the treatment of COVID. From my limited viewpoint, you’ve contributed far more than any of the medical bureaucracies, and I deem it shameful that your work is going relatively unnoticed outside the confines of the medical community.
I also appreciate the thoroughly professional manner in which your dialog with your fellow physicians is being conducted. Respectful, professional, and clinical - a refreshing change from the highly politicized media hysteria that was all most of the world was witness to.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom. I feel I had it on 12/1/19. I had all the symptoms above and was hospitalized for 6 days with myocarditis. I feel fortunate to have gotten it so early that I was not intubated, which seems to have been proven counterintuitive. My doctors believe it was "too early" to have been çovid, but I'm pretty confident. I did not take the MRNA injection and have not been infected since. I do worry about the long-term consequences of the spike protein.
Thank you, Dr. Kory, for taking the time to write this, for writing calmly, and for (as seems self-evident to me) striving to produce level headed and rational arguments. Debates of this calibre have been sorely lacking for most of the covid era.
It does seem to me that one of the main issues is why "Covid" was so different in NYC than elsewhere. For instance, I don't know anyone that died of covid. Zero. Further, for 3 years I queried friends and strangers, asking if they knew anyone that died of covid. Not once to this day have I encountered even one person that knew anyone that died of covid. I have talked to a local funeral director twice, and he informed me that only one body ever came through his facility with a covid tag. Conversely, everyone around here knows people that had normal flus and colds. And we all know people that tested positive for covid only to experience normal flu or cold symptoms. Some lost their sense of taste and smell, but nothing worse than previously.
As for me, I never got sick once in 2020, 2021, or 2022, despite being in small rooms filled with many people hacking and coughing, and despite a fairly extensive visiting schedule. I'm not aware of anyone that got even a cold after one of my visits.
Reading your article makes me wonder if what you call "covid" (that is, what you saw in NYC) is not at all what Martin et al calls "covid' (that is, what most of the world experienced).
I know 3 people who died of COVID. 2 were elderly. One was in his mid 40s but very obese. It happened. Further, my wife got COVID, not severe, but had the characteristic loss of taste, as did both daughters (where it was mainly rapidly progressing fatigue along with other respiratory symptoms and stubborn cough, were they quickly got through the fatigue). Most of our friends got it at some point or another, some with mild symptoms, some more severe.
I, on the other hand, never did test positive for it despite occasionally getting respiratory symptoms - but I was also taking every supplement imaginable that had any small study showing anti-viral or immune boosting activity (lactoferrin, artemisinin, black seed oil, brigham’s tea, l-lysine, NAC, and of course zinc, magnesium [some copper to balance those out], quercetin, vitamin c and d, etc.). Could have been that viral load never got high enough or I didn’t test at right time, could be that I got something else…
I’m in a suburb of a major northeastern city, not NYC, so maybe there are regional spread differences… but the notion that COVID didn’t happen, and in particular that there was nothing unique about the alpha and delta waves…. Just not reality. Once you got past delta, then it was just another cold. But until then, it was a very bad cold / flu. Not a “world is ending” thing like the media hype, and not close to justifying the government actions - but not nothing. Another pandemic along the lines of the prior Asian flus like the one that hit in the 60s.
Greetings, if I could offer some comments on virus history.
A) Flu is transmissible.
B) The sporadic nature of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 wasn't that weird.
C) Polio was viral, not caused by toxins.
A) Spanish flu transmission experiments were conducted in absence of serology (impossible without isolation and animal neutralization tests which weren't ironed out until the 1930s). The negative results at the time were taken as indicating that transmission, while easily observable in real life, was not demonstrable experimentally - not that flu wasn't transmissible. All real-world evidence was still there. And a retroactive interpretation of the results would simply be that these experiments occurred after most people had already been exposed anyway, given how brief local waves were in 1918 (1).
So in 1969 with serology and isolation in place when H3N2 emerged, transmission followed by classic flu symptoms wasn't hard to demonstrate (2). Same done for endogenous coronaviruses (3). At least two studies have done this with SARS-CoV-2 (4).
But to circle back to the first point, none of this has anything to do with 'proving' transmission, the real-world evidence, what we all see with our own eyes - A was sick, now B is sick - is not some crazy illusion (5). (More mysterious in the case of flu is geographic spread, which often went faster than human travel. (1) This relates to section B.)
2 Kasel Couch 1969 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2427734/ See table 3, 9 of 19 H3N2 seroneg volunteers develop illness, only 1 of 15 volunteers previously infected with related equine flu develop illness, very clear experimental proof of transmission by physical inoculation.
B) The sporadic nature of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 was not "weird," and does not require any special explanation. This is to say, in so far as it was weird, it was normal - the same thing happened in 1918 with Spanish flu (1) and 1957 with H2N2 (2).
This is a really important point. The presumption that a novel virus wouldn't / can't be sporadic is literally at odds with history.
Moreover, natural explanations are in fact available (though not needed). One must only remember that the virus had a second emergence, which was B.1+D614G in Italy in February 2020. So you have a dynamic where this more transmission / replication competent version of the virus emerges in Italy and spreads to and from Europe just as the world locks down in March. Where does it get a foothold? Europe, NYC, not much elsewhere in US. (3) The pre-lockdown era dissemination of pre-B.1 strains either fizzles out on its own or is displaced by B.1. Essentially the virus "figured out virus-ing" (mutated to D614G in Italy) both at the end of ideal seasonal conditions and at the verge of the lockdowns. No big mystery that it was sporadic afterward.
So (to recap) it wouldn't be "weird" for a novel virus to be sporadic, and anyway the behavior of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 is explained by mutation timing and circumstance. This is not to rule out any intentional releases (including for example of D614G in Italy) but to show that the epidemiology would be over-determined in such a case.
C) With the above examples regarding flu, it is clear that being "weird" isn't actually weird for viruses. Arguments made for why SARS-CoV-2 couldn't be a novel virus with a novel disease either incorrectly premise that flu is some very regular, well-understood entity or not a contagious disease at all. Now, this is exactly the same incorrect premise behind the polio toxin theories. "Look, polio transmission was "weird" - it must not have been a virus at all." So it doesn't seem to actually help the argument here regarding SARS-CoV-2 to kick polio under the bus. (And generally I wouldn't recommend anyone concerned with reputation for accuracy outsourcing their opinion on whether polio was viral to somebody else's research; a wiser approach is probably not to comment on the topic. At the same time it isn't hard for anyone to see for themselves why the toxin theory is fatally flawed (4).)
Peer group aged late 20s to late 30s. Whatever the origin, it is not until the last couple of years that an illness causing persistent loss of taste and smell for months to over a year afterwards has been brought up in casual conversation (by multiple people in my fairly small social circle).
I don’t think anybody in the right frame of mind doubts Dr. Kory’s sincerity not only in conveying his expert clinical experiences with covid-19 (whatever caused the disease) nor his attempts to solve the issues related to some unusual circumstances around it.
Let’s face it; Dr. Kory could have easily said to his critics: “None of you have faced the patients as I have, so until then, just shut up.”
I think this could have been a way to end the debate but this is obviously not Dr. Kory’s style. He seems to be a humble Doc and this usually comes with confidence.
However, there are some paradoxes that deserve logical explanations that Dr. Kory admitted he had neither the expertise nor the ability to explain.
Here are just some of them:
If a new pathogen had such an unusually high transmission rate Dr. Kory had never seen before, why would it only spread in clusters of big cities and only in some countries, as identified by Dr. Denis Rancourt?
Another problem worth emphasizing is regarding isolated communities of mainly religious people who don’t have access to media, such as Amish and the Mennonites. It seems that many of those communities have experience "covid-19 like symptoms" as they do every year, but their mortality rate was not different than any other flu season.
Finally, what happened to the flu?
I could possibly understand that the severe cases Dr. Kory attended to could potentially be classified as a new disease, almost all of them testing positive for covid-19.
But what about the mild cases with covid-19 positive test?
Why none or few of them had a positive test for influenza or any other previous to covid-19 widespread diseases?
Since Dr. Kory is a pulmonologist and an ICU physician, we could probably assume he had never seen any mild cases of covid-19. Please correct me if I’m wrong. So, can Dr. Kory explain why around the time WHO proclaimed a worldwide pandemic of a novel disease covid-19, all other influenzas and viruses vanished from almost the entire face of the earth?
In 2016-17 winter season, we had such a bad influenza season (official stats) in Canada but I’m
talking about Toronto or GTA. Our hospital gym was converted into an overflow ward. Can anybody guess what happened during the most transmissible virus we have ever seen called covid-19? I will not talk. Just look at the stats of 4 affiliated hospitals on Dec 17 2021 when it was apparently the height of the pandemic in Ontario.
And the comments, such as "What engineered virus?", "There is no damn virus." with my replies.
My wife contracted Delta, I had it a day later despite being totally isolated at our mountain hideaway.
Both rapidly fixed with Ivermectin et al.
One lingering symptom we both had, other than the loss of smell, was some weird visual effect, sort of "sparklings of light" in a totally dark room. I wonder if anyone else noticed that?
Oddly as my sense of smell returned over several months, it now seems to be even more sensitive than I remembered.
It helps to have a trusted perspective on initial experience with the "wuhan strain". I am looking forward to a deeper understanding of why certain areas were hit harder than others. Maybe the virus mutated really fast such that the early virulence would never be seen again. Maybe NYC population is significantly sicker due to smog and lifestyle or has more delicate resource to population ratios. Panic could have played a part in reducing survival / consuming resources. Such factors could become "non-linear" as in exceeding the available resources sends the situation into a vicious cycle.
Is the riddle in the maverick "relatively healthy" people who died? But the operative word relatively sheds some doubt on how healthy they really were. Even professional jiujitsu athletes in NYC have confessed to living on pizza and cookies. Vitamin D levels and gut biome could be critical factors for the seemingly healthy.
Perhaps Dr Kory, you can tell us more about seemingly healthy people who didn't make it. Are they important to consider or not?
Spectacular tour de for. Yes, you articulate the art and skill of a clinician, an articulation vastly needed in this debate. I hope read my post., linked below. It connects the two sides. Thank you.
I can’t believe that people are still arguing that there was not a novel virus (or any virus at all). They have sequenced the virus. It spread along travel routes. It was not massively more dangerous than other respiratory illnesses for most, but was dangerous for the elderly, the obese, and the immunocompromised. The cluster of symptoms that developed were, well, clustered, varying with the variant, with general progression from more dangerous to less dangerous over time as would be expected. And, as anyone who has children knows, yes, colds and other respiratory illnesses spread through close contact - but there can be variations based on the particulars of the contact (e.f., viral load exposures), what is occurring at the time (amount of touching, time to washing, etc.) and strength of immune systems.
There is literally nothing about the COVID-19 pandemic that makes me question whether or not a novel coronavirus (related to other coronavirus and subject to some level of cross immunity) came out of China and spread around the globe. Sure, the reaction was over-wrought, to include medical protocols that killed people who otherwise would have survived (most notably, premature placement on ventilator and/or intubation). Sure, the Diamond Princess data suggested a dangerous but not-too dangerous virus. Sure, the not-tested-enough vaccines are likely worse for the human population than the disease, particularly when forced on pregnant women and children had statistically zero risk from the viruses. But that doesn’t change the basics - a respiratory virus with unique genetic coding that was highly transmissible and particularly dangerous to certain subsets of the population, causing breakouts in groups such as Orthodox Jews near NYC that don’t exactly vape at any notable rate, nor exposed, what, to sudden onset environmental factors?
I find that group’s arguments absolutely ridiculous - a”long the lines of a psy-op intended to make folks who are reasonably skeptical of the official narrative look ridiculous (and I came over here from randomly finding their post). The notion that they are serious people is, to me, unsupported by any evidence. Just a bunch of bad faith argumentation.
I read that konvid was just a reclassification of other ILIs (influenza like illnesses) post-medical-martial-law.
that theory aligns with the reduction in reported "flu" cases vs the reported konvid cases for 2020 in the US, and also is explicitly mentioned as a tactic to increase acceptance of flu injections and allow the use of mRNA in humans (previous to late 2020 never approved in any country in the world) at the following fraudci and friends symposium from late 2019:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845-1/universal-flu-vaccine
When you wrote that the initial symptoms of covid were difficult to separate from normal colds, flus and pneumonias - until the symptoms progressed in a small number of people - it reminded me of Dr Chetty's testimony at the Grand jury.
Dr Chetty treated the cytokine storm as an allergic reaction to the body breaking down some part of the pathogen (he thought it was the spike protein part). Just like any allergic reaction, some people are hypersensitive, others are mildly sensitive, some people are not affected at all. He monitored his outpatients particularly on the 7th and 8th day as their body was breaking down the pathogen, and if they experienced worsening symptoms, he gave them an antihistamine, just like you give anyone experiencing and intense allergic reaction. I don't think any of his patients died. Fascinating testimony at a grand jury, he starts speaking at 3 hours and 45 minutes.
https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/Grand-Jury-Day-3-en-online:7?r=5GNUjp39K1yG9gnv6227aftTzwyGX6dK
Dr. Kory, you will forever remain a hero in my world. I will always be thankful I by chance found you in early in my search. I will never forget watching as you gave a speech or talk to a few Senators.....I believe Ron Johnson asked you to come and “educate” other elected officials. The thing that “got” me most was your passion, You seemed to have tears ready to fall as you described the patients you were being called here and there to treat..You Words..”I cannot keep doing this....seeing so many previously healthy patients die”......Again I thank you and always will hold you in BIG regard for just being Dr.Pierre Kory......what a clinician and human.
I see a stealth, 2 front, bioweapon attack on the west, by evil resident in both the US and China, in furtherance of the total control, genetically engineered, dystopian future envisioned for earth by evil at inner levels working in conjunction with embodied evil on Earth.
I see that sars-cov-2 and certain of the variants were ccp/pla bioweapon lab "created" with US technology, developed by the "US" bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure / cia/military / industrial/pharma complex.
I see that this technology was given / transfered to "china" in part by fauci et al. and any of this technology needed that was not given was taken, stolen, or developed by the "chinese" communist party/people's liberation army (ccp/pla) bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure / intelligence/military / industrial/pharma complex.
Then this ccp/pla complex, using "US" bioweapon lab technology, "created" sars-cov-2 from sars-cov parts from both bat and pangolin* already on the ccp/pla bioweapon lab shelf prior to 2018.
*a part with exceptional human ACE 2 binding ability from the RBM/RBD of the spike of a pangolin sars-cov virus was "recombined" in the process used to "create" sars-cov-2. see the March 22, 2020 "US" complex "hide in plain sight" limited hangout, zoonotic origin / wet market infection epicenter, mis/dis/mal information propaganda piece "Emergence of SARS-CoV-2 through recombination and strong purifying selection" note; initially, until removal, the supplementary data to this article included a "fine exemplar" spreadsheet showing on the vertical, line by line, 3533 individual tissue samples taken from ~18? sick pangolins. Virus types found in each tissue sample, averaging close to 10 per sample, were listed horizontally - sars-cov was found in sick pangolin #7 and more in sick pangolin #8 most likely the "guilty party" supplying a human ACE 2 binding affinity enhancement identified in sars-cov-2.
Then this ccp/pla complex did what it would do - develop a countermeasure vaccine and do human testing while continuing to bioweaponize their sars-cov-2, most particularly the spike*, with various bioweapon toxin inserts and virulence inhibited toxin inserts and continue to do countermeasure vaccine testing on humans. *note; Whole spike which was by that time well "noised abroad" as the choice coronavirus antigen for coding countermeasure agent mRNA.
During this ccp/pla bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure development process*, in the March 2018 time frame, a virulence inhibited early sars-cov-2 began to spread across China, Asia Pacific and into areas of Chinese contact in Africa developing widespread immunity to sars-cov-2 in the population of those areas which lasted until the immunity breakthrough and increased virulence changes developed into sars-cov-2 seen in the Delta variant. see The Ethical Skeptic "China’s CCP Concealed SARS-CoV-2 Presence in China as Far Back as March 2018 https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/
*the modus operandi MO of a bioweapon/bioweapon countermeasure complex is FIRST DEVELOP THE BIOWEAPON
Then a breakdown of virulence inhibition? or a leak or breakthrough infection? or a DELIBERATE DECISION to release a virulent sars-cov-2 and THE DELIBERATE DECISION made by the ccp/pla to use all means necessary to suppress and stop the spread of covid-19 in China and THE DELIBERATE DECISION made by the ccp/pla to use all means necessary then to insure that that initial release sars-cov-2 spread the world and that certain subsequent variants developed and released in conjunction with vaccine testing in foreign countries also spread, South African variant, most virulent Gamma P1 in Brazil, or spread across the world and such as Delta and then the case of Omicron. Omicron with the prion creating spike insert toxin now removed. The prion creating spike insert toxin present in prior variants and replicated by mRNA in the whole spike "vaccine " antigen.
This OMICRON ALLOWED TO SPREAD THROUGH CHINA reportedly doing relatively little damage to the people of China whose immune systems it appears were mostly protected from repeated infections and repeated mRMA injections creating toxic whole spike and doing other damage which made Omicron reportedly much more debilitating and killing in the multiple infection / multiple injection "west".
imo - All Total, fact + fact + fact, shows a ccp/pla 2 front , stealth, "unlimited war", "economic war", bioweapon attack on the west. Front #1) sars-cov-2 + "developed" immune escape variants, front #2) ccp/pla tradecraft + fear-inducing showmanship with highly visible terrible deaths, people filmed dropping dead, staged?,on China streets. Where else in the world did we see this happening before "vaccines"? Apartment doors welded shut, massive spraying and fogging of the streets and public spaces and the phenomenal construction of hospitals in weeks which were shortly to be closed down.. Quite the show. Quite the FEAR FEAR FEAR producing show inducing the west to use "their" long planned "countermeasure" Mrna to now generate the ccp/pla bio-engineered toxic "slow kill" "spike" for its "vaccine" antigen. Infection, injection, infection, injection, infection, injection death and debilitation in the west, China largely protected with widespread prior immunity until delta with actual lock downs and conventional vaccines. "chinese" Go players vs complicit "western" checkers players.
The facts that the surveillance state ccp/pla "china" 100% knew what was circulating person to person in wuhan and 100% deliberately worked to conceal this while working to keep travel open from wuhan to the world shows ccp/pla intent at best to "never let a good crisis go to waste" if the release was somehow not deliberate, while providing "pandemic explanation" cover with 2 "red herring" (ethical skeptic) trails 1) zoonotic origin with wet market outbreak center, to be supported by the west's complicit US bioweapon / bioweapon countermeasure / military / industrial / pharma complex, with full knowledge as to the origin of sars-cov-2, as a cover for their own complicit gain of function (gain of effect) "contribution" the furin cleavage site, the "2", the pandemic level of human to human transmission, in sars-cov-2 and other technology transferred to and taken by the ccp/pla and used by the ccp/pla for the lab recombination "creation" of sars-cov-2. Effective zoonotic "cover" for 3 years yet still being debunked leading to
"red herring" (ethical skeptic) trail 2) "ACCIDENTAL" lab release. How long for this to be debunked?
.... . evil here evil there - evil won round "covid"
Hi Dr Kory,
I read with interest your rebutle and see within it evidence for a respiratory virus mixed with evidence for something which is not common to a respiratory virus.
Would you agree with that observation?
If so, could it be that something other than a respiratory virus but that appears common to a respiratory virus was in fact one and the same agent falsely named SARS-COV-2?
The reason for my question is that I have now had Omicron Covid-19 twice with identical symptoms but with two very different outcomes possibly related to the two different approaches I took to mitigation.
In the first instance I treated it as a respiratory virus. I used antiviral nasal spray and Betadin gargle in combination with 10,000IU vitamin D3, vitamin K2 and Zinc.
It presented as a severe flu with sinus inflammation, headache, kidney pain, fever, aching muscles/joints, extreme fatigue, sore throat, running nose, and a dry cough with associated chest pain during coughing.
This was my condition for three days before I began to recover which took another 2-3 days. I was left with a dry cough for about 3 months.
By comparison, I got exactly the same set symptoms last Sunday almost 2 years later. This time I used a 7mg nicotine patch first applied on Monday afternoon as well as 10mg Phenylephrine HCI nasal decongestant as oral tablets besides the same vitamin D3, K2, and Zinc protocol.
By Tuesday morning I was pain free but still had a running nose and a dry cough. By Wednesday I was well again apart from the odd dry cough which has now gone. I stopped application of the decongestant on Wednesday and nicotine patches on Thursday.
The healing process was far more rapid and complete than on the first occasion.
I have never been vaccinated for Covid-19 and I have never smoked or vapped.
I am going to assume you are familiar with Dr Bryan Ardis work concerning the evidence for SARS-COV-2 being a bioweapon rather than a virus and his simple antidote being application of 7mg nicotine patches.
If not, please watch his video at the link below.
https://thedrardisshow.com/episode-08-28-2023-weaponizing-venoms
My personal experience appears to support his proposition. I would appreciate your assessment of this possibility.
Best regards,
Miles
I deeply appreciate the work you and your fellow clinicians have done and continue to do towards understanding the treatment of COVID. From my limited viewpoint, you’ve contributed far more than any of the medical bureaucracies, and I deem it shameful that your work is going relatively unnoticed outside the confines of the medical community.
I also appreciate the thoroughly professional manner in which your dialog with your fellow physicians is being conducted. Respectful, professional, and clinical - a refreshing change from the highly politicized media hysteria that was all most of the world was witness to.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom. I feel I had it on 12/1/19. I had all the symptoms above and was hospitalized for 6 days with myocarditis. I feel fortunate to have gotten it so early that I was not intubated, which seems to have been proven counterintuitive. My doctors believe it was "too early" to have been çovid, but I'm pretty confident. I did not take the MRNA injection and have not been infected since. I do worry about the long-term consequences of the spike protein.
Thank you, Dr. Kory, for taking the time to write this, for writing calmly, and for (as seems self-evident to me) striving to produce level headed and rational arguments. Debates of this calibre have been sorely lacking for most of the covid era.
It does seem to me that one of the main issues is why "Covid" was so different in NYC than elsewhere. For instance, I don't know anyone that died of covid. Zero. Further, for 3 years I queried friends and strangers, asking if they knew anyone that died of covid. Not once to this day have I encountered even one person that knew anyone that died of covid. I have talked to a local funeral director twice, and he informed me that only one body ever came through his facility with a covid tag. Conversely, everyone around here knows people that had normal flus and colds. And we all know people that tested positive for covid only to experience normal flu or cold symptoms. Some lost their sense of taste and smell, but nothing worse than previously.
As for me, I never got sick once in 2020, 2021, or 2022, despite being in small rooms filled with many people hacking and coughing, and despite a fairly extensive visiting schedule. I'm not aware of anyone that got even a cold after one of my visits.
Reading your article makes me wonder if what you call "covid" (that is, what you saw in NYC) is not at all what Martin et al calls "covid' (that is, what most of the world experienced).
I know 3 people who died of COVID. 2 were elderly. One was in his mid 40s but very obese. It happened. Further, my wife got COVID, not severe, but had the characteristic loss of taste, as did both daughters (where it was mainly rapidly progressing fatigue along with other respiratory symptoms and stubborn cough, were they quickly got through the fatigue). Most of our friends got it at some point or another, some with mild symptoms, some more severe.
I, on the other hand, never did test positive for it despite occasionally getting respiratory symptoms - but I was also taking every supplement imaginable that had any small study showing anti-viral or immune boosting activity (lactoferrin, artemisinin, black seed oil, brigham’s tea, l-lysine, NAC, and of course zinc, magnesium [some copper to balance those out], quercetin, vitamin c and d, etc.). Could have been that viral load never got high enough or I didn’t test at right time, could be that I got something else…
I’m in a suburb of a major northeastern city, not NYC, so maybe there are regional spread differences… but the notion that COVID didn’t happen, and in particular that there was nothing unique about the alpha and delta waves…. Just not reality. Once you got past delta, then it was just another cold. But until then, it was a very bad cold / flu. Not a “world is ending” thing like the media hype, and not close to justifying the government actions - but not nothing. Another pandemic along the lines of the prior Asian flus like the one that hit in the 60s.
Greetings, if I could offer some comments on virus history.
A) Flu is transmissible.
B) The sporadic nature of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 wasn't that weird.
C) Polio was viral, not caused by toxins.
A) Spanish flu transmission experiments were conducted in absence of serology (impossible without isolation and animal neutralization tests which weren't ironed out until the 1930s). The negative results at the time were taken as indicating that transmission, while easily observable in real life, was not demonstrable experimentally - not that flu wasn't transmissible. All real-world evidence was still there. And a retroactive interpretation of the results would simply be that these experiments occurred after most people had already been exposed anyway, given how brief local waves were in 1918 (1).
So in 1969 with serology and isolation in place when H3N2 emerged, transmission followed by classic flu symptoms wasn't hard to demonstrate (2). Same done for endogenous coronaviruses (3). At least two studies have done this with SARS-CoV-2 (4).
But to circle back to the first point, none of this has anything to do with 'proving' transmission, the real-world evidence, what we all see with our own eyes - A was sick, now B is sick - is not some crazy illusion (5). (More mysterious in the case of flu is geographic spread, which often went faster than human travel. (1) This relates to section B.)
References:
1 Shope 1958 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1951634/
2 Kasel Couch 1969 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2427734/ See table 3, 9 of 19 H3N2 seroneg volunteers develop illness, only 1 of 15 volunteers previously infected with related equine flu develop illness, very clear experimental proof of transmission by physical inoculation.
3 Callow 1985 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2129501/
4 Killingley et al. https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1121993/v1 Lindeboom et al. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.13.23288227v1
5 Jordan 1927 "pages" 129 and 130 for multiple examples of local outbreaks after arrival / encounter of symptomatic individuals with regular incubation periods of 24 - 48 hours during 1918 and prior flus https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/flu/8580flu.0016.858/129/--epidemic-influenza-a-survey?rgn=full+text;view=image
B) The sporadic nature of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 was not "weird," and does not require any special explanation. This is to say, in so far as it was weird, it was normal - the same thing happened in 1918 with Spanish flu (1) and 1957 with H2N2 (2).
This is a really important point. The presumption that a novel virus wouldn't / can't be sporadic is literally at odds with history.
Moreover, natural explanations are in fact available (though not needed). One must only remember that the virus had a second emergence, which was B.1+D614G in Italy in February 2020. So you have a dynamic where this more transmission / replication competent version of the virus emerges in Italy and spreads to and from Europe just as the world locks down in March. Where does it get a foothold? Europe, NYC, not much elsewhere in US. (3) The pre-lockdown era dissemination of pre-B.1 strains either fizzles out on its own or is displaced by B.1. Essentially the virus "figured out virus-ing" (mutated to D614G in Italy) both at the end of ideal seasonal conditions and at the verge of the lockdowns. No big mystery that it was sporadic afterward.
So (to recap) it wouldn't be "weird" for a novel virus to be sporadic, and anyway the behavior of SARS-CoV-2 in early 2020 is explained by mutation timing and circumstance. This is not to rule out any intentional releases (including for example of D614G in Italy) but to show that the epidemiology would be over-determined in such a case.
C) With the above examples regarding flu, it is clear that being "weird" isn't actually weird for viruses. Arguments made for why SARS-CoV-2 couldn't be a novel virus with a novel disease either incorrectly premise that flu is some very regular, well-understood entity or not a contagious disease at all. Now, this is exactly the same incorrect premise behind the polio toxin theories. "Look, polio transmission was "weird" - it must not have been a virus at all." So it doesn't seem to actually help the argument here regarding SARS-CoV-2 to kick polio under the bus. (And generally I wouldn't recommend anyone concerned with reputation for accuracy outsourcing their opinion on whether polio was viral to somebody else's research; a wiser approach is probably not to comment on the topic. At the same time it isn't hard for anyone to see for themselves why the toxin theory is fatally flawed (4).)
References:
1 Jordan 1927 "pages" 39 and onward https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/flu/8580flu.0016.858/39/--epidemic-influenza-a-survey?rgn=full+text;view=image
2 Own work - https://unglossed.substack.com/i/136573678/the-epidemiology
3 Korber et al. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7332439/
4 Own work again - https://unglossed.substack.com/p/the-polio-toxin-theory-pt-1
Fascinating. The paper, "Unnatural evolutionary processes of SARS-CoV-2 variants and possibility of deliberate natural
selection" by Atsushi Tanaka and cited at the of the rebuttal is wild. I'd be very interested to hear some discussion on that one.
Peer group aged late 20s to late 30s. Whatever the origin, it is not until the last couple of years that an illness causing persistent loss of taste and smell for months to over a year afterwards has been brought up in casual conversation (by multiple people in my fairly small social circle).
I don’t think anybody in the right frame of mind doubts Dr. Kory’s sincerity not only in conveying his expert clinical experiences with covid-19 (whatever caused the disease) nor his attempts to solve the issues related to some unusual circumstances around it.
Let’s face it; Dr. Kory could have easily said to his critics: “None of you have faced the patients as I have, so until then, just shut up.”
I think this could have been a way to end the debate but this is obviously not Dr. Kory’s style. He seems to be a humble Doc and this usually comes with confidence.
However, there are some paradoxes that deserve logical explanations that Dr. Kory admitted he had neither the expertise nor the ability to explain.
Here are just some of them:
If a new pathogen had such an unusually high transmission rate Dr. Kory had never seen before, why would it only spread in clusters of big cities and only in some countries, as identified by Dr. Denis Rancourt?
Another problem worth emphasizing is regarding isolated communities of mainly religious people who don’t have access to media, such as Amish and the Mennonites. It seems that many of those communities have experience "covid-19 like symptoms" as they do every year, but their mortality rate was not different than any other flu season.
Finally, what happened to the flu?
I could possibly understand that the severe cases Dr. Kory attended to could potentially be classified as a new disease, almost all of them testing positive for covid-19.
But what about the mild cases with covid-19 positive test?
Why none or few of them had a positive test for influenza or any other previous to covid-19 widespread diseases?
Since Dr. Kory is a pulmonologist and an ICU physician, we could probably assume he had never seen any mild cases of covid-19. Please correct me if I’m wrong. So, can Dr. Kory explain why around the time WHO proclaimed a worldwide pandemic of a novel disease covid-19, all other influenzas and viruses vanished from almost the entire face of the earth?
In 2016-17 winter season, we had such a bad influenza season (official stats) in Canada but I’m
talking about Toronto or GTA. Our hospital gym was converted into an overflow ward. Can anybody guess what happened during the most transmissible virus we have ever seen called covid-19? I will not talk. Just look at the stats of 4 affiliated hospitals on Dec 17 2021 when it was apparently the height of the pandemic in Ontario.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/DyXmfdZNAj58dLsb8
Excruciatingly excellent overview !
Intentionally released? Most definitely.
For what reason? BigBucks. This piece I wrote quite awhile back still justified, I believe.
https://peterwebster.substack.com/p/vaxscam
And the comments, such as "What engineered virus?", "There is no damn virus." with my replies.
My wife contracted Delta, I had it a day later despite being totally isolated at our mountain hideaway.
Both rapidly fixed with Ivermectin et al.
One lingering symptom we both had, other than the loss of smell, was some weird visual effect, sort of "sparklings of light" in a totally dark room. I wonder if anyone else noticed that?
Oddly as my sense of smell returned over several months, it now seems to be even more sensitive than I remembered.
It helps to have a trusted perspective on initial experience with the "wuhan strain". I am looking forward to a deeper understanding of why certain areas were hit harder than others. Maybe the virus mutated really fast such that the early virulence would never be seen again. Maybe NYC population is significantly sicker due to smog and lifestyle or has more delicate resource to population ratios. Panic could have played a part in reducing survival / consuming resources. Such factors could become "non-linear" as in exceeding the available resources sends the situation into a vicious cycle.
Is the riddle in the maverick "relatively healthy" people who died? But the operative word relatively sheds some doubt on how healthy they really were. Even professional jiujitsu athletes in NYC have confessed to living on pizza and cookies. Vitamin D levels and gut biome could be critical factors for the seemingly healthy.
Perhaps Dr Kory, you can tell us more about seemingly healthy people who didn't make it. Are they important to consider or not?
Spectacular tour de for. Yes, you articulate the art and skill of a clinician, an articulation vastly needed in this debate. I hope read my post., linked below. It connects the two sides. Thank you.
https://haruhuani.substack.com/p/i-now-understand-the-covid-pandemic-b9b