Some Covid experts think that over-use of sedatives and opiates caused the increased deaths in early Covid. They even go as far as suggesting euthanasia was committed. I strongly disagree.
Very disappointed in this post. "I promise you that if a doctor or nurse started giving doses of medications that were inappropriate or not indicated and patients started dying under their care as a result.. they would be immediately be reported by a colleague, lose their license, or even go to jail (maybe not too).. " Really? Are you kidding? Who wrote this? I personally know of a young family, father was hospitalized with covid in 2020, given remdesivir, ventilated, and lungs severely damaged. Doctors told the wife there was no hope, his lungs were beyond saving, that he was too weak even for a lung transplant. She fought them and many months later, he is now home breathing on his own. See the case in Vera Sherav's documentary of the girl with Down's Syndrome who was vented and doped up against her family's wishes and died. See the testimonies of many physicians and nurses who reported malpractice including starvation, lack of hydration, over sedation, inadequate monitoring, neglect, etc. ICU patients being managed by unlicensed medical students in NYC. Are you kidding? What are you talking about? You don't know what went on in the UK. And couldn't unprecedented high sedative doses also decrease and disturb all organ function, including the heart?
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
Thanks Pierre. This is a helpful additional commentary. I agree that the issue of intent is important, and so am still puzzled at the rationale behind the NICE guidelines in the UK. Of course, medical people ought not allow guidelines to determine their treatments, and it is very clear that is not your personal modus operandi. In the chaos of Spring 2020, less experienced or less competent doctors may have relied on official advice more than otherwise. It does seem likely that there are differences in both official and conventional practices between different places, too; most obviously between different countries. But thanks for the updated comments.
I greatly appreciate this article as it helps me greatly to understand some of the decisions around end of life care including the use of opiates to relief dyspnea. It still really bothers me that the COVID care did not focus on those with the substantially greatest risk to COVID while so much time money and attention went to those who were not at risk. This happened throughout COVID. COVID was a great example of perverse incentives at work in a health crisis. An unmitigated disaster of suffering and injustice caused by government action alone.
Seems Dr. Kory 'forgot' to mention a few things. My understanding is in New York Hospitals, at least for people on Medicare or Medicaid, the hospitals were paid I believe $19,000 per Covid death, and $39,000 if they were put on a ventilator (which could explain wht Mayor Cuomo was screaming for more ventilators. I believe the death rate of people put on ventilators was well over 50%, probably nearer 90% (at least in the early days). Also, extremely important, people could get put in ventilators just with a Positive PCR test, no matter what they had entered the hospital for.
I'm sure Dr. Kory knows how (deliberately) useless PCR 'tests' are for diagnostics?
Re Britain, surely Dr. Kory is also aware that many people would put on 'Do Not Rescucitate' protocols (like the old 'Liverpool Pathway) without they or their relatives even being informed, never mind getting their aquiessance.
Then there were the govt. agencies and the MSM demonising alternative, safe and effective drugs like HCQ and Ivermectin, and hospitals refusing to allow doctors to administer them even if the patient, relatives and doctor wanted to?
One more point, Dr. Kory, do you believe the Frankenjab, and indeed the whole Covid Scamdemic, was (at least potentially) a declaration of war against the people, a sterilisation and depopulation agenda to cull excess 'useless eaters'?
By the way, CHI Memorial Hospital still hasn't proven what happened to head nurse Tiffamy Dover after collapsing after the 'Covid' jab. There are still no confirmed sightings of her, leadin many to believe she is dead. Kinda shows the calibre of 'Hospitals' in the States. They would rather lie till the cows come home, than risl their lucrative jab and 'Covid' victim gravy train.
You didn't need a positive PCR test to be put on a ventilator in NYC, and yes, DNRs for entire care homes is as unethical as it gets but this happened. DNRs not approved by family also occurred in NYC.
In the summer of 2022 someone I knew went to the hospital with the now-familiar "multiple organ failure not otherwise specified" and she -- a 46-year-old woman with a husband and son -- died within hours. The hospital had a one visitor policy, so her son couldn't be with her in her last conscious moments. Even though they all came from the same household. But tell me again how just and humane doctors and nurses are.
Linda - the young woman with Down’s was Grace Shara. Her parents Scott and Cindy spoke at a meeting I attended a couple of months ago. Their story was gut wrenching to listen to. And seemingly impossible to believe that a hospital could treat a patient this way. But I do believe it. And so does Warner Mendenhall - the attorney who is representing Brook Jackson. They have the documents from the hospital. He is also representing them.
In 2020 Philippina staff in NY nursing homes were ordered to administer midazolam and morphine to elderly, to make room for cov patients. They were threatened that if they did not they would be fired.
Nurses (especially Philippine nurses on work visas) admitted they were ordered to administer or lose their jobs. Sometimes morphine overdoses were used.
They knew they were “sinning” but had no where to go in the midst of the chaotic lockdowns.
Unfortunately I didn’t save the links; I wasn’t aware enough to save or download.
Appreciate your point, but prior to the pandemic, the UK had an issue with overuse of the "Liverpool Protocol" (aka assisted euthanasia). Undoubtedly these stories primed the pump, such that when drug use increased in care homes people went looking to blame someone. I had to manage my father passing at home and I agree with Dr Kory's observations. In the end the line between making him comfortable and overdosing him with narcotics/benzos becomes a blurry line, particularly liver and renal dysfunciton are playing a major role in the overall disease process. No doubt in hard hit areas patient care suffered, particularly when pencil necked admin physicians started calling the shots on patient management. Many docs were put in a vise, toe the line or out you go (as Dr Kory can testify too). We all would have been far better served if a panel of practicing infectious disease and cardiopulmonary specialists were convened to set patient care protocols mat the beginning of all this mess.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
Why weren’t patients in NYC transferred to all the empty beds elswhere in NUC? There was no need for the crowded conditions.
Why were there blanket DNRs in hospitals without family consent which allowed end of life protocols?
Why were ICU nurse whistle blowers reporting that patients unnecessarily placesd on ventilators and yes , killed.
Your points are well taken about what is mormal care for critical care and with the dying however there were way too many reports of outright malpractice- patients inappropriately intubated, and given remdesivir without family consent.
Another problem mindlessly following the Covid protocol without addressing the individual needs of each patient. Also isolating patients, treating from a distance was another recipe for malpractice.
Maybe the care was correct where you were working but there are plenty of reports from nurses and doctors of improper care- true malpractice.
Not with Big Gretch in Michigan. She cozied all the Covid19 positive Seniors together with the uninflected ones in Nursing Homes in her state. And lots of these helpless souls died.
Hey, cut her some slack, what else would you expect from the person who said, “Abortion is life affirming?”
Mass testiing was not being done, and yes, we all know about that. However, this then allowed care home staff to assume SARS 2 either from observation of simply a cough resulting in the new protocols. GPs stayed away from care homes too. Do not think things changed since. Last spring, my trible jabbed ex mil admitted after a fall. Had to be tested and lo and behold was positive with no symptoms. All family barred for 10 days. She was dosed up on morphine, dehydrated, unwashed, totally dishevelled. During this time also developed double pneumonia, not unusual with lying in bed, but if family had been allowed in, they would have got her up and about or at least been able to be with her. Yes, she died of course. People need to look at the bigger picture which is the financial system and the crash in Feb 2020 just before lockdowns.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
The entire health care system was deliberately plummeted into chaos by evil conspirators who knew that practitioners would not be able to cope. Financial incentives as well as penalties were put in place to maintain control over progression of the plan. No one is saying that doctors and nurses thought of this themselves, but hospital staff could not be trusted to stand up to deadly protocols and to provide therapeutic medical care - like you did. They could also not be trusted to administer therapeutic doses (high or low depending on medical indication) of any drugs. But that is not new with covid. Overprescribing of drugs and polypharmacy has been a problem for decades, especially in hospitals. Covid was just an extreme example.
I am concerned about the heavy use of sedatives and opiates during the dying process. Even though well meaning, I'm not sure it is the right thing to do. Surely though, some patients are killed by these drugs .
That aside, you have to realize that the public is understandably angry with the entire health care system. The trust is gone after the assault of the past 3 years that is ongoing. So you might want to tread lightly regarding any defense of their actions right now. Grieving of lost loved ones is a fresh wound. Emotions are raw. I'm sure you are also dealing with your own raw emotions from both perspectives, as a patient and as a doctor in a captured, dysfunctional system.
You might be disappointed with the post because it may not contain what you wanted to hear. It happens to lay people all the time who don't know how the medical system works, even at small nursing homes, which even today are all computerized. Simply put, if a patient (s) were to get even close to lethal dose of benzos and opiates, would have been red-flagged while the doctor was writing the order and everyone but Santa Clause would have been notified starting with the pharmacy or pharmacist issuing the medication, the ward clerk, the nurse in charge of the patient, the nurse in charge of ward and so on... Co-signatures are required for all of those drugs.
People like you demand answers why the spike of deaths happened in some places and not so much, or none, in others. Fair enough. Blaming all medical staff for it by accusing them of conspiracy to commit murders doesn't serve justice.
I think Dr. Kory explained the situation happening in the spring of 2020 in many places in the world as honestly as simply as possible even for most laymen to understand as well as many medical doctors and nurses who didn't face the crisis in the ICUs or covid-19 wards.
One day not long from now hopefully all conspiracy theories will either be vindicated or debunked. The conspiracy theory that all, or even most, staff at small and large healthcare institutions conspired to euthanize the already dying elderly and the frail by lethal injections of sedatives and opiates will never be proven true, like it or not.
I am not a layperson. No one is claiming that medical doctors and nurses conspired to kill patients. They simply followed orders to keep their jobs. The exact same way that doctors and nurses did during WWII in Germany. And Dr. Kory knows that which made me question if he even wrote this post.
But he ended the post by emphasizing that he was focusing on early 2020, when healthcare providers had not lost their minds - yet. He recognizes that the awful things you mention did happen later, in fact, the FLCCC site has some of their stories.
He may be focusing on early 2020, but he is incorrectly applying that to the events that came later. The post doesn't accurately describe what happened at all. He is saying that the drugs used were justified and did not lead to deaths. Reports are that they were not justified and did.
I know another such case where the patient fully recovered after given minutes (sic!) to live by the ICU in Alberta, purportedly unrecoverable with a massive pulmonary fibrosis of both lungs (so they concluded), but given methylprednisolone injections according to the FLCCC protocol, as a last family wish! Thanks, Dr. Kory, for literally saving this person. He was out of the ICU in two days. Travels the world, plays golf (no cart) and rides a bike 5 months later, in his 70s.
This is just silly. No one is saying that. In the UK they sent out treatment protocols for covid positive patients in care homes and they said to a) not send them to the hospital, b) give them enormous doses of morphine and midazolam. This was not on a patient by patient basis, it was just across the board and many of these care homes had DNRs written for the entire care home without family or resident consent. Care workers followed those protocols, which meant essentially euthanizing huge numbers of infected elderly, most of whom would have otherwise survived. It was just bureaucratic. Nobody thinks the care workers conspired to murder anyone but they *did* do as they were told, as medical workers virtually always do. The murderers are the people who sourced all this midazolam and put the protocol into place.
And ICUs and ventilators could not be more irrelevant. They were totally uninvolved in what is at issue here.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
Note also that many patients in care homes were 'examined' remotely by medics, some over video-link, many just with verbal description of symptoms by (possibly distraught) junior nursing staff. It wouldn't surprise me if a large number of 'mistakes' were made.
I agree, and it undermines the credibility of all of us who are trying to get the truth out about the corruption and power games that made the pandemic response such a disaster.
So you don't agree that one of the main agendas of the whole Covid Plandemic was sterility and depopulation, a culling of the 'useless eaters' foulling up the Elite's playground, and using up THEIR resources?
secretly conspired ?😆 They were well paid to. And they were threatened for the few left with any moral compass. But hey!.......enjoy our most caring #Forever Essentials and remember to always thank them for working "24/7" for you rubes:
Thanks for this post, which gives wider context to the UK concerns. However it doesn’t address what I thought was the main concern (as reflected, eg, by John Campbell) that in the UK, the NICE guidelines issued at the time were disturbing, and appeared to be consistent with end of life practice rather than with therapeutics. The data on dosages may have been circumstantial but the directive (since withdrawn) was not. In addition, the very sudden (and short) and large mortality spikes observed were not consistent with any patterns of a spreading virus. While of course I respect your experience, and first hand accounts of NYC situation, your post doesn’t yet allay all the concerns I think.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
" The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines)"
There's no evidence there were DNRs in effect, and even if they were, something would have to make them die in the first place before they were not resuscitated - and the criticism isn't over the lack of resuscitation. Why did dementia deaths only spike three-fold in April 2020 after the NICE order went out and prescriptions jumped? Why did they use drugs that were not authorised for those purposes?
"a half of practice in the ICU's"
ICUs are not relevant to care homes. Care homes are not "intensive care" (they're not even normal care some of the time). There's no requirement to intubate. These people were not registered as dying from COVID-19 - their death certificates say dementia. Dementia is not a rapid onset disease, nor would it all coordinate to outcome in a single month, nor are the drugs in question suitable for dementia.
There is a prof nursing auditor in my comment sections who verifies the drug usage is abnormal. Midazolam is not typically used outside of surgery settings. Sedatives increase the risks of falls; paperwork ought to be in-place indicating pain issues to justify opioids.
The marketing authorisation isn't there, peer-review papers contraindicate the usage, whistleblowers have come forward to say it is misuse, Professor Pullicino - who got reforms on the Liverpool Care Pathway - calls it euthanasia.
The evidence all landslides in one direction. It cannot be explained away by American anecdotes.
The New York situation in 2020 was an organizational mess. While you and your colleagues were overworked in the hospitals, I knew people staffing the Javits center who stood around for several weeks with nothing to do. Clearly political motives were ruling the day trying to make the impact of COVID -19 look as bad as possible.
I am sure this was a very good post because Dr. Kory wrote it. Maybe I shouldn't even be responding because I didn't read the entire thing. The minute I see the word "ventilator" I have a really hard time reading about patients being put on ventilators as a matter of course. It brings tears to my eyes because my sister (who I've written about before) got the first Pfizer jab and was immediately put on a vent and put in the ICU because she wouldn't stop pulling off the oxygen mask. Exactly two months later died when one lung after the other collapsed in quick succession. That was November 2021 - not early in the Plandemic as described here. Her husband wouldn't listen to a thing I had to say because he was so sure the hospital was doing everything to save her. I wonder if he has finally woken up.
She, and many others, probably got no early treatment. Suppression of early treatment in favor of miraculous vaccines killed many and then the vaccines killed and disabled many more.
As a retired Registered Nurse who has worked both with end-of-life patients in the lCU setting as well as hospice at home situations l can vouch that EVERY WORD DR. KORY HAS WRITTEN IS TRUE!
Those that are expressing criticism need to re-read this article where Dr. Kory explains he is discussing the time period at the very beginning of the pandemic when the NYC hospitals were inundated with patients in their ICU's.
I'm afraid, Dr. Kory, that you are going to receive much negative feedback from the average layperson for this article because they will not comprehend that the use of sedative medication has been used to relieve respiratory distress in end-of-life patients for YEARS & YEARS before the covid pandemic arrived. It has ALWAYS been the accepted medical standard of care & (as you explained) allows that precious human -being to be so much more comfortable as they experience the process of dying!
Dr. Kory, you are very brave to write & publish this truthful article. You are one of the "true & honorable physicians" who have upheld their Hippocratic Oath when so many lousy, cowardly doctors have not during these past 3 years! God bless you sir!
"Those that are expressing criticism need to re-read this article where Dr. Kory explains he is discussing the time period at the very beginning of the pandemic when the NYC hospitals were inundated with patients in their ICU's."
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Ok great, what does that time period have to do with the concern over NHS guidelines provided to assisted living and hospice centers in the UK?
I totally agree with you....it doesn't! The NHS Guidelines were/are horrific. I am only addressing Dr. Kory's topic of using sedative medication regime on patients in the lCU setting in the NYC hospital situation during the beginning of the scamdemic.
IMHO, there is no doubt that this whole covid "scamdemic" was manufactured & is the worst crime ever perpetuated on mankind & the world.
I am not in any way affiliated with the medical profession, but I trust and appreciate Dr. Kory! He's one of the heroes of this time. On the other hand, I don't think I will ever again trust the medical profession as a whole. I hope I never need to enter a hospital for surgery or anything else.
The time period re nurses being told to administer meds to cause death to specifically free up beds in nursing homes for COVID patients was 2020. 10,000 people died in NY nursing homes.
One person’s experience does make universal truth. It only makes that person’s experience real to him/her.
The people in control at the time were not as ethical as Dr. Kory, and it is inconceivable to him that anyone would do that. But they did.
Stepping back one step, the refusal to allow any early treatment allowed the tsunamis of hospitalizations and deaths. Which caused the majority of hospitalizations. The nation was told to “stay home and do nothing until you can’t breathe,” i.e., until it’s too late.
Battlefield medicine with no tools and not allowed to find or use creative solutions short circuited medical care. Hundreds of thousands died.
Blood is on the hands of medical killers (from the top to bottom), but my heart goes out to medical people traumatized by their futile attempts to save people with both hands tied behind their backs and/or given bad direction.
"I'm afraid, Dr. Kory, that you are going to receive much negative feedback from the average layperson"
Ah, another country heard from. Instead of attacks from MAINLY your ... well, not peers -- let's call them: the folks who also have licenses you have, whether or not they are worthy of them... now you get to get vitriol from normies, too! Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
Thank you for your thoughtful words about this - such a difficult (impossible) emotional situation to try to disentangle. Even more so as it’s between countries and cultures, as you so clearly presented. The issue for me personally, is the numbers of anecdotes from those with relatives with clearly no need to be on an ‘end of life pathway’, who were labelled DNR against their families’ wishes. Of course, there are some authentic deaths in the mix, but even one unauthorised, unnecessary death is, without doubt, murder. Or at least manslaughter. And accountability must be underway from these starting blocks of investigations/debate. If only these conversations could occur openly...
Drs. Kory and Marik are my most trusted medical authorities. That said, I've read a lot on the allegations of NHS wrongdoing. Below, I've offered links to articles I find damning.
Several things in this article don't line up. First, the use of opiates in ICUs was tied to creating comfort with ventilators. Because ventilators weren't in use in care homes, there was no synchronizing or terminal weaning. This article didn't discuss other uses for opiates.
Here's an article pointing out the government's policy to kick elders out of ICUs, and to record DNR orders in patient records without patient or family approval:
Finally, here is a disturbing article alleging misdeeds by the NHS, including "...during the COVID19 pandemic DNACPR notices have been applied in a blanket fashion to some categories of person by some care providers, without any involvement of the individuals or their families":
I saw a mountain of ventilators unopened in a landfill. There were pallets of ventilators stored away in storage rooms all over the place because there were more ventilators waiting on victims than they had victims. .
Hospitals made BIG BANK using those ventilators so they used them on people that did not need them and didn't deserve to die like that.
There is no excuse for what they did to people. None.
You are correct. I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
I'm a longtime supporter of your efforts at the FLCCC. I was confident that additional data could change your mind on this. Thank you for proving that.
One does have to wonder, however, about the NIH's benign-ness when insisting that "There is insufficient evidence for the Panel to recommend either for or against the use of vitamin D for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19."
I have a hard time seeing that recommendation as merely protecting Pharma profits while treating the public's health as an irrelevance. It sure looks malevolent to me.
I always appreciate your posts as one my favorite doctors ever, Dr. Kory, although my two-cent observations as a non-doctor have been the opposite of this post. While I am not a medical doctor myself, I work with them as a scientist in multiple unique roles and have observed the care of numerous critically ill (not COVID) patients on life support. Almost every single time a family has refused to withdraw their loved one's care despite intense pressure to "relieve their suffering", the families turned out to be right- the patient eventually came off the ventilator and went home. In many of these cases, achieving successful ventilator weaning was as simple as reducing excessive and unnecessary doses of medications that induce respiratory depression, plus giving the patient time to improve. I even saw this when my own grandmother had to go on a ventilator (before COVID), which the doctors said she would never be able to come off of- they intensely pressured us to withdraw care from her but we refused (partly because I was fortunate to know how to read the literature and find out that they greatly underestimated her chances of survival). All it took to wean her off the ventilator was time and reducing unnecessary CNS-depressing medications, and she went home and survived quite some time. And on a related note, almost every time a patient was deemed not a "worthy" candidate for a life-saving procedure, but a maverick doctor stepped in to save the day for the patient, the maverick doctor was right and the patient went on to live a good or decent quality life for at least a few years. It's sad to think about the similar patients who weren't as lucky to have a maverick step in to save them. So based on my own two-cent observations, the "naysayer" doctors in life-or-death situations have been wrong many many times, and this makes me think of how the "naysayer" doctors were wrong to dismiss ivermectin and early treatments for COVID, which sadly cost lots of lives.
It's going to be really difficult to trust in any situation like that in the future when there are doctors saying the unvaccinated should be taken to the "firing line."
Thank you for all the folks you helped, through death or life. I can only hope I have someone as cognizant and caring as you when my time comes (Pulmonary Fibrosis). 🙏🏼💜
Yes! If only Dr. Kory could treat all of us! I have just learned that I probably have COPD. Never even tried a cigarette, so I don't know what caused it.
"We weren't trying to “kill” them using such doses, we were trying to save them."
Then why administer drugs that do exactly the opposite?
They depress the Central Nervous System (CNS) and impede breathing. Even the UK government flipflopped and both gave the signal to give Midazolam *and* disclaimed the fact it wasn't licenced for such use, and Levomepromazine is a sedative. Haloperidol causes cardiovascular issues and pneumonia.
And yet the deaths weren't marked as respiratory failures. They were reclassified as dementia deaths. Not even peer-reviewed studies could find a justification.
Why the sudden massive increase in April 2020 of the shots?
Drugs -- ALL drugs -- have negative side-effects (e.g., depressing respiration). But never forget that the actual truth is: ALL DRUGS HAVE EFFECTS -- we call the ones we LIKE the indications for use, and the ones we DON'T like the contra-indications. There IS not a single drug that has no contra-ind.. oh, wait... Maybe IVM? Yeah-no, IVM for one kind of parasite is absolutely contra-indicated because the death of the parasite sometimes kills the patient -- and not for collie doggos EITHER because it kills them... so EVEN IVM has contraindications!
When my 95-yr-old mother was in hospice in a care home (back in 2018), and, lucky for her (or a sign she raised good kids), I spent several hours a day attending to her. She was quite demented (likely due to the cancer metastases in her brain), mostly blind, mostly deaf... I struggled to keep her pain 'managed' -- mashing the painkillers and feeding her them in yogurt. Semi-successful. I could sometimes still see the pain-tension on her face (the cancer was all over her body) ... but she 'wasn't in there' enough to tell me when and how much pain, so I partly guessed, and partly followed the 'legend on the bottle.'
Then she reached a stage where I'd spoon some painkiller-yogurt into her mouth and it would just dribble back out.... the hospice nurse said, 'oh, yes, they reach a point where they FORGET HOW TO SWALLOW!' (Who knew?! Not me!) So, with trepidation, I (unlocked the hospice's pill safe and) pulled out the liquid morphine (ex-Medical Affairs Director/crew chief for an ambulance corps, and used to teach NY State EMT courses, decades ago... so the hospice nurse trusted me). A drop or two under her tongue -- and the tension receded from her face... Blessed morphine!!
A day or so later, I set her wheelchair by the window, so she had sun on her body but not her face, and went to buy some fancy flavored yogurts to see if they would tempt her to eat. Came back, and she had 'left.' But she left by the GRACE of the 'effects' of a drug that did its JOB of repressing pain; the "side" effect of repressing respiration may or may not have had an effect. I had hugged her before I left, and told her (was she in there? I hope so!) that she did not need to 'hang around' on behalf of her three daughters. She should feel free to go see her dear husband (and mine) and the cats and dogs who has preceded her.
Underdog, I agree completely with your description of the timing and maybe misuse of drugs -- and the100% unconscionable use of mass DNRs! However, you cannot administer drugs that DON'T "do exactly the opposite" -- there is no such drug! As Pierre describes -- it's a fine fine line...
"Underdog, I agree completely with your description of the timing and maybe misuse of drugs -- and the100% unconscionable use of mass DNRs!"
At no point do I talk about DNRs in my article. Can people stop strawmanning my arguments?
"However, you cannot administer drugs that DON'T "do exactly the opposite""
You can't when there's no legal framework nor medical justification for it.
Literally has no marketing authorisation for that use, stated in NICE guidance. I.E. the use of it for that purpose in the UK is illegal. It's not like the US where you can gung-ho prescribe drugs or fudge the domains; UK has tight drug prescription roles. Doctors can lose jobs if they prescribe wrong drug for wrong purpose.
So, no, you can't prescribe drugs that do the opposite (I.E. harm the patient). If they have trouble breathing you don't get a free pass to administer, say, cynanide or in this case, midazolam.
It is not a pro-respiratory drug in any sense. Sedative, antipsychotic, one injection sends most adults to sleep. Care homes are not ICUs, staff are not trained to intubate in care homes, ergo the invented purpose Dr Kory conjures up is totally irrelevant in this context.
No oxygen given, no mention of ventilators used, no ECMO. So no, it's not "fine" and it looks like Dr Kory is worried it is going to make him look bad for advising people join the 'end of life' pathway.
Massive conflict of interest. Still no response from Dr Kory.
"He clearly explained the patients were in ICU on ventilators. They *needed* sedatives so they could be mechanically ventilated!! "
ICU has nothing to do with care homes and is not a rebuttal to the article which relates to care home deaths.
"You should retract your comment... as you are clearly out of your lane!! "
I would suggest your misreadings would imply that you're out of yours. Look at the evidence. Drugs are contraindicated and not marketed for use in those conditions, as UK government admits.
Nothing to do with New York ICU care or their peculiarities.
"READ the article, which clearly mentions his ICU experience in Spring 2020:"
Read the title, which is clearly about UK care homes. His ICU sleight-of-hand is not a rebuttal to the evidence of mass murder in the care homes.
"The fact that you have 9 likes (so far) goes to show how many other misreadings there are."
The 9 likes are from people who have considered the supplied evidence of intentional care home murders to be compelling enough to support my stance. Berating them won't get you anywhere. Ad hominems are not evidence.
PS, here's my rebuttal on the article I supposedly 'misread'.
Actually, start of thread opens with "Dr Pierre Kory — an American doctor with no first hand UK experience — opined a Substack, seemingly out of guilt, titled [...]".
I like how you cherry pick only one point, and ignore the extensive rebuttals.
The word "exonerate" doesn't appear in the article.
"You and the other “likes” didn’t read beyond the title."
I literally have screenshots of various paragraphs of his article in my rebuttal. Why are you lying and trying to slander me?
I was sat in a UK coffee shop last week and overheard the conversation of two ladies sat next to me. They were nurse auxilliaries talking about their own vaccine injuries. (Post-jabs one had hives all over her body for several months, the other had extreme tiredness for 7 months plus a blood clot in her left calf. They also told me of a 49 year old nurse who died of a blood clot.). I engaged them in conversation. We had a long discussion about the injuries and deaths they have seen since the jabbings begun. What was interesting is what they said about 2020.
They told me that in 2020 the hospital - major trauma centre for West Wales - seemed intent on hospitalising elderly people. By elderly they meant people in their mid-60s and over. They gave an example of a chap in his 70s who came in with a head cut and was hospitalised. He then effectively ended up on 'the Liverpool pathway' - no water, no one to help feed him. The nurses told me that they offered to feed him but were told that they must not as if he choked they and the hospital could be sued. The 2 nurse auxilliaries could not understand why so many elderly people were being hospitalised for things that usually would have seen them treated and sent home.
Make of this what you will. The nurses had their opinion on what was going on. UK laws of libel do not allow me to repeat those views in print.
I can’t say enough how much I appreciate your perspective here. I really value your presence in these conversations and I can tell you really care about people and your craft both! Your continued efforts on all our behalf is so appreciated! 🙏
I’d like to add that it’s possible that the process of dying is unknowable for those not going through it. I would caution against what seems obvious to so many in these modern times, that expressions of agony are the same as suffering while dying. Expressions of anguish are signs that the living person is suffering. I understand the kinds of questions that follow this thought aren’t testable, but I think we should be honest with ourselves. Are we trying to minimize the expressions of agony? Or trying to minimize suffering? Perhaps each dying person knows their situation better than those around them. I know it might be hard as a doctor to prolong your exposure to the signs of agony, maybe even without perceivable benefit, but I hope you can understand that you’re not the one dying.
To all doctors, you should know that patients and their families can tell what you believe about end of life issues by the way you talk, words you choose, tone, etc. It has a significant influence on your future interactions with them. Maybe that’s why some patients push back. Because too many doctors are approaching the care-related tasks like machines working on other machines, rather than humans having an experience with other humans having an experience. Just my two cents anyway.
Dr Kory, you’re a doctor to be admired, so please continue the good work!
I can't see anything other than malevolent intent on the part of people like Fauci, Collins, etc. If that intent was not there, there would have been discussions and changes as they saw the terrible outcomes of treatment and vaccines. I honestly have no explanation other than to say this is all satanic. I want to think that there are doctors who are really struggling with the awful decisions they made, but until they admit it, I have no more trust.
Yes, this is exactly what I have been telling people - but I was late to the game with my understanding. My mother, aged 87, moved to the memory care unit of an assisted living facility in Pennsylvania in 2022. In December, COVID was circulating in the facility so all residents were tested. My asymptomatic mother tested positive. As a result, she was left in her room to languish alone. She has Alzheimer’s and needs assistance with all activities. Thankfully, I was permitted to visit her (something that would not have been allowed early in the plandemic) and, a couple of days into her isolation, I could see first hand that she was not being cared for properly. I then spent two days with her trying to get her hydrated, eating and toileted regularly, but the neglect had already begun to take its toll. She became non-responsive and I personally took her to the ER. She was dehydrated, had a UTI and had broken her hip!!!! She has mostly recovered (has difficulty walking now) but I know that if I had not been able to see her that she would have died due to “benign” neglect and she would have been counted as a COVID death (despite never having any symptom of COVID).
Isolation occurred for more than a year. How do you explain the spike only occurring in April 2020 during NICE guidance and the spike in the administration of 3 different shots, and not any of the other months in the 2 years+?
It’s almost like we’re talking about a different disease. Whatever happened there in NYC doesn’t sound or look like “covid.” Or whatever we have now (Omicron) isn’t “covid.”
This is so true! I’ve wondered about this often myself. But I saw the three severe peaks we had and I know what severe Covid looks like. I’ve also had Covid and it really was nothing serious 🤷♀️.
Dr. Kory, I’m a professional registered nurse with 32 years of acute care experience in WI., although I had retired at the time of the Covid plandemic. I’ve seen a lot and have always had a good, respectful relationship with the physicians, surgeons, and staff I’ve worked with. However in the last few years of my career I noticed the impact of government interference in healthcare probably due to the increase of patients on Medicare and Medicaid. Reimbursement to physicians and hospitals were based on criteria that was often unrealistic based on the cognitive status of the patient. There were standards of care developed that took away autonomy from a physician to individualize care with their patients. The staff became burdened with non-patient care focused responsibilities from OSHA that took time and care away from the bedside. One other thing that needs to be said is that the quality of personnel in healthcare has declined significantly in the past couple decades. In many situations diversity has become the driving factor in who is admitted to medical school or into healthcare professions vs the best and brightest. Standards of care have replaced individualized care decisions between a physician and their patients and I think that is due to lack of critical thinking skills, managing costs and reimbursement and hospitals needing to be profitable to survive the competitive environment they’re in, especially small hospitals vs the huge healthcare systems. Finally, the traveling nurse fiasco. It takes at least 6 months of mentoring to be adept at the policies and procedures at a facility not to mention the time to develop a rapport with your colleagues as they see if you’re capable and can be trusted to provide the appropriate care particularly during high patient load times and with acute care patients. To allow the most inexperienced nurses to travel to various facilities and expect they’re going to deliver the same high quality care an experienced nurse can provide in a facility or region they’re not familiar with was a very poor decision. Every travel nurse I spoke with was motivated by one thing, money, and admitted they couldn’t handle the most difficult patients. Generally they were relatively new to the profession, therefore mostly young because they were either single or didn’t have children and were able to drop everything for the opportunity to earn a lot more money than the usual nurses’s salary. Inexperience leads to a lack of ability to make good assessments and decisions particularly during a crisis.
I could go on and on but personally I’m ashamed at the healthcare system and how it failed during Covid and is still failing with many hospitals and practitioners going along with ineffective mandates and protocols while suppressing therapeutics that could have worked. I never saw how corrupt big Pharma was until the past decade. But my eyes are wide open now and I’ll help anyone I can on an individual basis but I’m staying as far away from hospitals and healthcare practices as I can.
One last point, a major difference between WI. and NYC is that most people from WI. have a genuine faith and a trust in God that sadly is missing in many large urban areas.
I formed a small group of like-minded individuals in my community that are dedicated to sharing evidence-based information to find the truth and acting on that to help each other in these strange times. I’m also part of a larger group comprised of health care professionals (physicians, nurses, respiratory therapists, etc) who share data and information. I highly respect Dr. Kory but his account of what happened in NYC is not consistent with what I’ve heard from nurses who worked there during those terrible months.
Your indepth comment is so insightful & appreciated!
As a retired R.N. myself & who has already commented here l concur with all that you have written. ESPECIALLY the young, traveling nurse fiasco! In far too many situations, it is no longer about care & commitment in the nursing field but only about finances. It is disgraceful. Where l used to be so proud of my profession l am now ashamed. I am so grateful l was able to retire before covid arrived.
May God bless you as well! We can share our experience and knowledge with our family members and friends who need us and do our best to stay away from the healthcare system in its current disgraceful state.
Very disappointed in this post. "I promise you that if a doctor or nurse started giving doses of medications that were inappropriate or not indicated and patients started dying under their care as a result.. they would be immediately be reported by a colleague, lose their license, or even go to jail (maybe not too).. " Really? Are you kidding? Who wrote this? I personally know of a young family, father was hospitalized with covid in 2020, given remdesivir, ventilated, and lungs severely damaged. Doctors told the wife there was no hope, his lungs were beyond saving, that he was too weak even for a lung transplant. She fought them and many months later, he is now home breathing on his own. See the case in Vera Sherav's documentary of the girl with Down's Syndrome who was vented and doped up against her family's wishes and died. See the testimonies of many physicians and nurses who reported malpractice including starvation, lack of hydration, over sedation, inadequate monitoring, neglect, etc. ICU patients being managed by unlicensed medical students in NYC. Are you kidding? What are you talking about? You don't know what went on in the UK. And couldn't unprecedented high sedative doses also decrease and disturb all organ function, including the heart?
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
You should probably pin this post as it seems essential.
I agree that pinning would be good. But I think it should be put as an addendum to the post itself. Not everyone will go to the comments.
Ditto.
I believe his next post after this one reprised most of what he said here and expanded on it.
Thanks Pierre. This is a helpful additional commentary. I agree that the issue of intent is important, and so am still puzzled at the rationale behind the NICE guidelines in the UK. Of course, medical people ought not allow guidelines to determine their treatments, and it is very clear that is not your personal modus operandi. In the chaos of Spring 2020, less experienced or less competent doctors may have relied on official advice more than otherwise. It does seem likely that there are differences in both official and conventional practices between different places, too; most obviously between different countries. But thanks for the updated comments.
I greatly appreciate this article as it helps me greatly to understand some of the decisions around end of life care including the use of opiates to relief dyspnea. It still really bothers me that the COVID care did not focus on those with the substantially greatest risk to COVID while so much time money and attention went to those who were not at risk. This happened throughout COVID. COVID was a great example of perverse incentives at work in a health crisis. An unmitigated disaster of suffering and injustice caused by government action alone.
The Memorial Hospital incident comes to mind https://hartuk.substack.com/p/ethical-boundaries?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
Seems Dr. Kory 'forgot' to mention a few things. My understanding is in New York Hospitals, at least for people on Medicare or Medicaid, the hospitals were paid I believe $19,000 per Covid death, and $39,000 if they were put on a ventilator (which could explain wht Mayor Cuomo was screaming for more ventilators. I believe the death rate of people put on ventilators was well over 50%, probably nearer 90% (at least in the early days). Also, extremely important, people could get put in ventilators just with a Positive PCR test, no matter what they had entered the hospital for.
I'm sure Dr. Kory knows how (deliberately) useless PCR 'tests' are for diagnostics?
Re Britain, surely Dr. Kory is also aware that many people would put on 'Do Not Rescucitate' protocols (like the old 'Liverpool Pathway) without they or their relatives even being informed, never mind getting their aquiessance.
Then there were the govt. agencies and the MSM demonising alternative, safe and effective drugs like HCQ and Ivermectin, and hospitals refusing to allow doctors to administer them even if the patient, relatives and doctor wanted to?
One more point, Dr. Kory, do you believe the Frankenjab, and indeed the whole Covid Scamdemic, was (at least potentially) a declaration of war against the people, a sterilisation and depopulation agenda to cull excess 'useless eaters'?
By the way, CHI Memorial Hospital still hasn't proven what happened to head nurse Tiffamy Dover after collapsing after the 'Covid' jab. There are still no confirmed sightings of her, leadin many to believe she is dead. Kinda shows the calibre of 'Hospitals' in the States. They would rather lie till the cows come home, than risl their lucrative jab and 'Covid' victim gravy train.
You didn't need a positive PCR test to be put on a ventilator in NYC, and yes, DNRs for entire care homes is as unethical as it gets but this happened. DNRs not approved by family also occurred in NYC.
In the summer of 2022 someone I knew went to the hospital with the now-familiar "multiple organ failure not otherwise specified" and she -- a 46-year-old woman with a husband and son -- died within hours. The hospital had a one visitor policy, so her son couldn't be with her in her last conscious moments. Even though they all came from the same household. But tell me again how just and humane doctors and nurses are.
Dr. Kory sounds like an ethical guy and trustworthy Doctor. But he also sounds like he’s experiencing a degree of Confirmation Bias.
The mercenary stink is strong in many Hospitals around the world, and like a rotting fish, starts at the top.
👆This!
Dr Kory is a liar
Linda - the young woman with Down’s was Grace Shara. Her parents Scott and Cindy spoke at a meeting I attended a couple of months ago. Their story was gut wrenching to listen to. And seemingly impossible to believe that a hospital could treat a patient this way. But I do believe it. And so does Warner Mendenhall - the attorney who is representing Brook Jackson. They have the documents from the hospital. He is also representing them.
In 2020 Philippina staff in NY nursing homes were ordered to administer midazolam and morphine to elderly, to make room for cov patients. They were threatened that if they did not they would be fired.
Nurses (especially Philippine nurses on work visas) admitted they were ordered to administer or lose their jobs. Sometimes morphine overdoses were used.
They knew they were “sinning” but had no where to go in the midst of the chaotic lockdowns.
Unfortunately I didn’t save the links; I wasn’t aware enough to save or download.
Appreciate your point, but prior to the pandemic, the UK had an issue with overuse of the "Liverpool Protocol" (aka assisted euthanasia). Undoubtedly these stories primed the pump, such that when drug use increased in care homes people went looking to blame someone. I had to manage my father passing at home and I agree with Dr Kory's observations. In the end the line between making him comfortable and overdosing him with narcotics/benzos becomes a blurry line, particularly liver and renal dysfunciton are playing a major role in the overall disease process. No doubt in hard hit areas patient care suffered, particularly when pencil necked admin physicians started calling the shots on patient management. Many docs were put in a vise, toe the line or out you go (as Dr Kory can testify too). We all would have been far better served if a panel of practicing infectious disease and cardiopulmonary specialists were convened to set patient care protocols mat the beginning of all this mess.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
If only the Genocidal Planners had thought of this...🤫
Why weren’t patients in NYC transferred to all the empty beds elswhere in NUC? There was no need for the crowded conditions.
Why were there blanket DNRs in hospitals without family consent which allowed end of life protocols?
Why were ICU nurse whistle blowers reporting that patients unnecessarily placesd on ventilators and yes , killed.
Your points are well taken about what is mormal care for critical care and with the dying however there were way too many reports of outright malpractice- patients inappropriately intubated, and given remdesivir without family consent.
Another problem mindlessly following the Covid protocol without addressing the individual needs of each patient. Also isolating patients, treating from a distance was another recipe for malpractice.
Maybe the care was correct where you were working but there are plenty of reports from nurses and doctors of improper care- true malpractice.
And the U.S. Navy hospital ship sent by President Trump left sitting empty with, I think, 1,000 beds. Finally left port due to non-use.
Not with Big Gretch in Michigan. She cozied all the Covid19 positive Seniors together with the uninflected ones in Nursing Homes in her state. And lots of these helpless souls died.
Hey, cut her some slack, what else would you expect from the person who said, “Abortion is life affirming?”
Mass testiing was not being done, and yes, we all know about that. However, this then allowed care home staff to assume SARS 2 either from observation of simply a cough resulting in the new protocols. GPs stayed away from care homes too. Do not think things changed since. Last spring, my trible jabbed ex mil admitted after a fall. Had to be tested and lo and behold was positive with no symptoms. All family barred for 10 days. She was dosed up on morphine, dehydrated, unwashed, totally dishevelled. During this time also developed double pneumonia, not unusual with lying in bed, but if family had been allowed in, they would have got her up and about or at least been able to be with her. Yes, she died of course. People need to look at the bigger picture which is the financial system and the crash in Feb 2020 just before lockdowns.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
The entire health care system was deliberately plummeted into chaos by evil conspirators who knew that practitioners would not be able to cope. Financial incentives as well as penalties were put in place to maintain control over progression of the plan. No one is saying that doctors and nurses thought of this themselves, but hospital staff could not be trusted to stand up to deadly protocols and to provide therapeutic medical care - like you did. They could also not be trusted to administer therapeutic doses (high or low depending on medical indication) of any drugs. But that is not new with covid. Overprescribing of drugs and polypharmacy has been a problem for decades, especially in hospitals. Covid was just an extreme example.
I am concerned about the heavy use of sedatives and opiates during the dying process. Even though well meaning, I'm not sure it is the right thing to do. Surely though, some patients are killed by these drugs .
That aside, you have to realize that the public is understandably angry with the entire health care system. The trust is gone after the assault of the past 3 years that is ongoing. So you might want to tread lightly regarding any defense of their actions right now. Grieving of lost loved ones is a fresh wound. Emotions are raw. I'm sure you are also dealing with your own raw emotions from both perspectives, as a patient and as a doctor in a captured, dysfunctional system.
You might be disappointed with the post because it may not contain what you wanted to hear. It happens to lay people all the time who don't know how the medical system works, even at small nursing homes, which even today are all computerized. Simply put, if a patient (s) were to get even close to lethal dose of benzos and opiates, would have been red-flagged while the doctor was writing the order and everyone but Santa Clause would have been notified starting with the pharmacy or pharmacist issuing the medication, the ward clerk, the nurse in charge of the patient, the nurse in charge of ward and so on... Co-signatures are required for all of those drugs.
People like you demand answers why the spike of deaths happened in some places and not so much, or none, in others. Fair enough. Blaming all medical staff for it by accusing them of conspiracy to commit murders doesn't serve justice.
I think Dr. Kory explained the situation happening in the spring of 2020 in many places in the world as honestly as simply as possible even for most laymen to understand as well as many medical doctors and nurses who didn't face the crisis in the ICUs or covid-19 wards.
One day not long from now hopefully all conspiracy theories will either be vindicated or debunked. The conspiracy theory that all, or even most, staff at small and large healthcare institutions conspired to euthanize the already dying elderly and the frail by lethal injections of sedatives and opiates will never be proven true, like it or not.
I am not a layperson. No one is claiming that medical doctors and nurses conspired to kill patients. They simply followed orders to keep their jobs. The exact same way that doctors and nurses did during WWII in Germany. And Dr. Kory knows that which made me question if he even wrote this post.
The phrase "people like you" aimed at anyone, let alone a person that you don't know, is not a helpful approach.
But he ended the post by emphasizing that he was focusing on early 2020, when healthcare providers had not lost their minds - yet. He recognizes that the awful things you mention did happen later, in fact, the FLCCC site has some of their stories.
He may be focusing on early 2020, but he is incorrectly applying that to the events that came later. The post doesn't accurately describe what happened at all. He is saying that the drugs used were justified and did not lead to deaths. Reports are that they were not justified and did.
I know another such case where the patient fully recovered after given minutes (sic!) to live by the ICU in Alberta, purportedly unrecoverable with a massive pulmonary fibrosis of both lungs (so they concluded), but given methylprednisolone injections according to the FLCCC protocol, as a last family wish! Thanks, Dr. Kory, for literally saving this person. He was out of the ICU in two days. Travels the world, plays golf (no cart) and rides a bike 5 months later, in his 70s.
This is just silly. No one is saying that. In the UK they sent out treatment protocols for covid positive patients in care homes and they said to a) not send them to the hospital, b) give them enormous doses of morphine and midazolam. This was not on a patient by patient basis, it was just across the board and many of these care homes had DNRs written for the entire care home without family or resident consent. Care workers followed those protocols, which meant essentially euthanizing huge numbers of infected elderly, most of whom would have otherwise survived. It was just bureaucratic. Nobody thinks the care workers conspired to murder anyone but they *did* do as they were told, as medical workers virtually always do. The murderers are the people who sourced all this midazolam and put the protocol into place.
And ICUs and ventilators could not be more irrelevant. They were totally uninvolved in what is at issue here.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
Those Medical Personnel likely were frightened for their jobs if they disobeyed and became good Germans as a result.
Note also that many patients in care homes were 'examined' remotely by medics, some over video-link, many just with verbal description of symptoms by (possibly distraught) junior nursing staff. It wouldn't surprise me if a large number of 'mistakes' were made.
And remember, the totally unfit for purpose 'PCR' test often gave 97% False Positive (which is why the perps used it).
With some basis for it.
I agree, and it undermines the credibility of all of us who are trying to get the truth out about the corruption and power games that made the pandemic response such a disaster.
So you don't agree that one of the main agendas of the whole Covid Plandemic was sterility and depopulation, a culling of the 'useless eaters' foulling up the Elite's playground, and using up THEIR resources?
secretly conspired ?😆 They were well paid to. And they were threatened for the few left with any moral compass. But hey!.......enjoy our most caring #Forever Essentials and remember to always thank them for working "24/7" for you rubes:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1624003708529909761
https://twitter.com/i/status/1617435349059309568
https://twitter.com/i/status/1625162906097664000
https://twitter.com/i/status/1608344863543791619
Like Sgt. Shultz from “Hogan’s Heros,” they knew nothing and acted accordingly.
Thanks for collecting those links. While dancing on graves might be a concern, they were doing no harm while dancing. Go team go!
Thanks for this post, which gives wider context to the UK concerns. However it doesn’t address what I thought was the main concern (as reflected, eg, by John Campbell) that in the UK, the NICE guidelines issued at the time were disturbing, and appeared to be consistent with end of life practice rather than with therapeutics. The data on dosages may have been circumstantial but the directive (since withdrawn) was not. In addition, the very sudden (and short) and large mortality spikes observed were not consistent with any patterns of a spreading virus. While of course I respect your experience, and first hand accounts of NYC situation, your post doesn’t yet allay all the concerns I think.
I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
" The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines)"
There's no evidence there were DNRs in effect, and even if they were, something would have to make them die in the first place before they were not resuscitated - and the criticism isn't over the lack of resuscitation. Why did dementia deaths only spike three-fold in April 2020 after the NICE order went out and prescriptions jumped? Why did they use drugs that were not authorised for those purposes?
"a half of practice in the ICU's"
ICUs are not relevant to care homes. Care homes are not "intensive care" (they're not even normal care some of the time). There's no requirement to intubate. These people were not registered as dying from COVID-19 - their death certificates say dementia. Dementia is not a rapid onset disease, nor would it all coordinate to outcome in a single month, nor are the drugs in question suitable for dementia.
There is a prof nursing auditor in my comment sections who verifies the drug usage is abnormal. Midazolam is not typically used outside of surgery settings. Sedatives increase the risks of falls; paperwork ought to be in-place indicating pain issues to justify opioids.
The marketing authorisation isn't there, peer-review papers contraindicate the usage, whistleblowers have come forward to say it is misuse, Professor Pullicino - who got reforms on the Liverpool Care Pathway - calls it euthanasia.
The evidence all landslides in one direction. It cannot be explained away by American anecdotes.
Evidence clearly shows a culpability within UK care homes:
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/mass-murdering-of-the-elderly
Campbell and Jikkyleaks opened the tip of the iceberg, the peer-reviewed papers are damning.
A thousand other nurses and doctors say the opposite of what you just said.
"I need to admonish some colleagues to “stay in your lane.”
Seriously?
Yes. Seriously
The New York situation in 2020 was an organizational mess. While you and your colleagues were overworked in the hospitals, I knew people staffing the Javits center who stood around for several weeks with nothing to do. Clearly political motives were ruling the day trying to make the impact of COVID -19 look as bad as possible.
I am sure this was a very good post because Dr. Kory wrote it. Maybe I shouldn't even be responding because I didn't read the entire thing. The minute I see the word "ventilator" I have a really hard time reading about patients being put on ventilators as a matter of course. It brings tears to my eyes because my sister (who I've written about before) got the first Pfizer jab and was immediately put on a vent and put in the ICU because she wouldn't stop pulling off the oxygen mask. Exactly two months later died when one lung after the other collapsed in quick succession. That was November 2021 - not early in the Plandemic as described here. Her husband wouldn't listen to a thing I had to say because he was so sure the hospital was doing everything to save her. I wonder if he has finally woken up.
She, and many others, probably got no early treatment. Suppression of early treatment in favor of miraculous vaccines killed many and then the vaccines killed and disabled many more.
Let's all remember that the DOD made this bioweapon. It's not a disease.
No. This happened right after she got her first Pfizer jab. Which I forgot to say in this post. I will edit my comment.
As a retired Registered Nurse who has worked both with end-of-life patients in the lCU setting as well as hospice at home situations l can vouch that EVERY WORD DR. KORY HAS WRITTEN IS TRUE!
Those that are expressing criticism need to re-read this article where Dr. Kory explains he is discussing the time period at the very beginning of the pandemic when the NYC hospitals were inundated with patients in their ICU's.
I'm afraid, Dr. Kory, that you are going to receive much negative feedback from the average layperson for this article because they will not comprehend that the use of sedative medication has been used to relieve respiratory distress in end-of-life patients for YEARS & YEARS before the covid pandemic arrived. It has ALWAYS been the accepted medical standard of care & (as you explained) allows that precious human -being to be so much more comfortable as they experience the process of dying!
Dr. Kory, you are very brave to write & publish this truthful article. You are one of the "true & honorable physicians" who have upheld their Hippocratic Oath when so many lousy, cowardly doctors have not during these past 3 years! God bless you sir!
"Those that are expressing criticism need to re-read this article where Dr. Kory explains he is discussing the time period at the very beginning of the pandemic when the NYC hospitals were inundated with patients in their ICU's."
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Ok great, what does that time period have to do with the concern over NHS guidelines provided to assisted living and hospice centers in the UK?
RAD,
I totally agree with you....it doesn't! The NHS Guidelines were/are horrific. I am only addressing Dr. Kory's topic of using sedative medication regime on patients in the lCU setting in the NYC hospital situation during the beginning of the scamdemic.
IMHO, there is no doubt that this whole covid "scamdemic" was manufactured & is the worst crime ever perpetuated on mankind & the world.
I am not in any way affiliated with the medical profession, but I trust and appreciate Dr. Kory! He's one of the heroes of this time. On the other hand, I don't think I will ever again trust the medical profession as a whole. I hope I never need to enter a hospital for surgery or anything else.
You will.
The time period re nurses being told to administer meds to cause death to specifically free up beds in nursing homes for COVID patients was 2020. 10,000 people died in NY nursing homes.
One person’s experience does make universal truth. It only makes that person’s experience real to him/her.
The people in control at the time were not as ethical as Dr. Kory, and it is inconceivable to him that anyone would do that. But they did.
Stepping back one step, the refusal to allow any early treatment allowed the tsunamis of hospitalizations and deaths. Which caused the majority of hospitalizations. The nation was told to “stay home and do nothing until you can’t breathe,” i.e., until it’s too late.
Battlefield medicine with no tools and not allowed to find or use creative solutions short circuited medical care. Hundreds of thousands died.
Blood is on the hands of medical killers (from the top to bottom), but my heart goes out to medical people traumatized by their futile attempts to save people with both hands tied behind their backs and/or given bad direction.
* one person’s experience does not make it universal truth.
"I'm afraid, Dr. Kory, that you are going to receive much negative feedback from the average layperson"
Ah, another country heard from. Instead of attacks from MAINLY your ... well, not peers -- let's call them: the folks who also have licenses you have, whether or not they are worthy of them... now you get to get vitriol from normies, too! Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
{sigh}
Thank you for your thoughtful words about this - such a difficult (impossible) emotional situation to try to disentangle. Even more so as it’s between countries and cultures, as you so clearly presented. The issue for me personally, is the numbers of anecdotes from those with relatives with clearly no need to be on an ‘end of life pathway’, who were labelled DNR against their families’ wishes. Of course, there are some authentic deaths in the mix, but even one unauthorised, unnecessary death is, without doubt, murder. Or at least manslaughter. And accountability must be underway from these starting blocks of investigations/debate. If only these conversations could occur openly...
Drs. Kory and Marik are my most trusted medical authorities. That said, I've read a lot on the allegations of NHS wrongdoing. Below, I've offered links to articles I find damning.
Several things in this article don't line up. First, the use of opiates in ICUs was tied to creating comfort with ventilators. Because ventilators weren't in use in care homes, there was no synchronizing or terminal weaning. This article didn't discuss other uses for opiates.
Here's an article pointing out the government's policy to kick elders out of ICUs, and to record DNR orders in patient records without patient or family approval:
https://expose-news.com/2022/11/11/midzolam-matt-genocide-elderly-prison-not-jungle/
Here are articles about the Liverpool Care Pathway, which sent otherwise healthy people into an end-of-life protocol.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/04/23/you-gave-up-twp-years-life-midazolam-covid-lie/
https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/03/14/nazi-healthcare-revived-across-the-five-eyes-a-eugenic-solution-for-the-baby-boomer-time-bomb/
Finally, here is a disturbing article alleging misdeeds by the NHS, including "...during the COVID19 pandemic DNACPR notices have been applied in a blanket fashion to some categories of person by some care providers, without any involvement of the individuals or their families":
https://expose-news.com/2023/01/21/nhs-staff-told-to-kill-patients-for-covid/?cmid=244027c2-785f-47f6-b079-f2e2a3ea3ae6
I saw a mountain of ventilators unopened in a landfill. There were pallets of ventilators stored away in storage rooms all over the place because there were more ventilators waiting on victims than they had victims. .
Hospitals made BIG BANK using those ventilators so they used them on people that did not need them and didn't deserve to die like that.
There is no excuse for what they did to people. None.
Now they're on discount
https://archive.is/sv0KR
"Thousands of ventilators de Blasio commissioned for $12 million sell as scrap metal for less than $25K."
I think the reason they ordered mountains of supplies was because the government was paying for it so they loaded the boats.
You are correct. I believe I made an error in my post by not exploring the root cause of the deaths as I was simply trying to rebut the idea that providers suddenly decided to use medicines to euthanize patients. What appears to have happened in the UK care homes is that residents and providers were suddenly put in a chaotic situation and policies were hastily created which removed care opportunities. The seemingly blanket DNR policies and do not hospitalize policies they were following for a time caused excessive dying (not the medicines), as sick residents were forced to stay in the homes and proper Covid care could not be provided there. Those policies in hindsight were ethically troubling if not outright violations of proper medical care but I still have trouble ascribing them with a primary intent to cause death, although those policies did cause excess death for sure. In that first wave, I saw a lot of ethically troubling thoughts and actions borne of fear as well as ignorance as to how much capacity they had or would be able to be created. The hasty attempt at creating "rationing" policies are ugly ugly ugly. It seems they were trying to "ration" or "prioritize" care for certain classes of citizens with a priority for the non-elderly. This led the care home residents to die of Covid at excessive rates which led to many developing severe breathlessness with the only available care options to be those of "comfort meds." My point is that my post did not address the above as the "real" problem - the blanket issuing of DNR and do not hospitalize policies which created a situation where large increases in the use of comfort meds was observed. This issue deserves a separate post because it was the cause of so many of the troubling reports by patients and their families of being denied care and thus causing the premature death of patients. It was the policies that caused the excess death, not the meds. I also have to say that my skills and approach to end-of-life care, prognosticating, and following ethical principles are mine and were formed from decades and a half of practice in the ICU's as well as my study of medical ethics. The variability in this skill set and knowledge amongst providers should have been included in the post given I have heard too many horror stories of improver actions of doctors to think we all have the same skill set and knowledge. But again, although terrible actions were taken by some providers out of fear and confusion as to what the "right" thing to do was, I cannot ascribe the intent of murder or euthanasia systematically to the population of health care providers, although will have to admit that individual providers may have "lost their minds, i.e ethical bearings" in certain situations and may have actually committed those acts.
I'm a longtime supporter of your efforts at the FLCCC. I was confident that additional data could change your mind on this. Thank you for proving that.
One does have to wonder, however, about the NIH's benign-ness when insisting that "There is insufficient evidence for the Panel to recommend either for or against the use of vitamin D for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19."
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/supplements/vitamin-d/
I have a hard time seeing that recommendation as merely protecting Pharma profits while treating the public's health as an irrelevance. It sure looks malevolent to me.
I always appreciate your posts as one my favorite doctors ever, Dr. Kory, although my two-cent observations as a non-doctor have been the opposite of this post. While I am not a medical doctor myself, I work with them as a scientist in multiple unique roles and have observed the care of numerous critically ill (not COVID) patients on life support. Almost every single time a family has refused to withdraw their loved one's care despite intense pressure to "relieve their suffering", the families turned out to be right- the patient eventually came off the ventilator and went home. In many of these cases, achieving successful ventilator weaning was as simple as reducing excessive and unnecessary doses of medications that induce respiratory depression, plus giving the patient time to improve. I even saw this when my own grandmother had to go on a ventilator (before COVID), which the doctors said she would never be able to come off of- they intensely pressured us to withdraw care from her but we refused (partly because I was fortunate to know how to read the literature and find out that they greatly underestimated her chances of survival). All it took to wean her off the ventilator was time and reducing unnecessary CNS-depressing medications, and she went home and survived quite some time. And on a related note, almost every time a patient was deemed not a "worthy" candidate for a life-saving procedure, but a maverick doctor stepped in to save the day for the patient, the maverick doctor was right and the patient went on to live a good or decent quality life for at least a few years. It's sad to think about the similar patients who weren't as lucky to have a maverick step in to save them. So based on my own two-cent observations, the "naysayer" doctors in life-or-death situations have been wrong many many times, and this makes me think of how the "naysayer" doctors were wrong to dismiss ivermectin and early treatments for COVID, which sadly cost lots of lives.
It's going to be really difficult to trust in any situation like that in the future when there are doctors saying the unvaccinated should be taken to the "firing line."
Quote from
https://www.theflstandard.com/employee-complaint-florida-doctor-wanted-unvaccinated-hospital-staff-taken-to-the-firing-line/
Thank you for all the folks you helped, through death or life. I can only hope I have someone as cognizant and caring as you when my time comes (Pulmonary Fibrosis). 🙏🏼💜
Yes! If only Dr. Kory could treat all of us! I have just learned that I probably have COPD. Never even tried a cigarette, so I don't know what caused it.
Have you looked into nebulizer with hydrogen peroxide?
"We weren't trying to “kill” them using such doses, we were trying to save them."
Then why administer drugs that do exactly the opposite?
They depress the Central Nervous System (CNS) and impede breathing. Even the UK government flipflopped and both gave the signal to give Midazolam *and* disclaimed the fact it wasn't licenced for such use, and Levomepromazine is a sedative. Haloperidol causes cardiovascular issues and pneumonia.
And yet the deaths weren't marked as respiratory failures. They were reclassified as dementia deaths. Not even peer-reviewed studies could find a justification.
Why the sudden massive increase in April 2020 of the shots?
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/mass-murdering-of-the-elderly
Is this your attempt to try to exonerate yourself Dr Kory?
No, I won't "stay in my lane", because yours crossed the line years ago.
Drugs -- ALL drugs -- have negative side-effects (e.g., depressing respiration). But never forget that the actual truth is: ALL DRUGS HAVE EFFECTS -- we call the ones we LIKE the indications for use, and the ones we DON'T like the contra-indications. There IS not a single drug that has no contra-ind.. oh, wait... Maybe IVM? Yeah-no, IVM for one kind of parasite is absolutely contra-indicated because the death of the parasite sometimes kills the patient -- and not for collie doggos EITHER because it kills them... so EVEN IVM has contraindications!
When my 95-yr-old mother was in hospice in a care home (back in 2018), and, lucky for her (or a sign she raised good kids), I spent several hours a day attending to her. She was quite demented (likely due to the cancer metastases in her brain), mostly blind, mostly deaf... I struggled to keep her pain 'managed' -- mashing the painkillers and feeding her them in yogurt. Semi-successful. I could sometimes still see the pain-tension on her face (the cancer was all over her body) ... but she 'wasn't in there' enough to tell me when and how much pain, so I partly guessed, and partly followed the 'legend on the bottle.'
Then she reached a stage where I'd spoon some painkiller-yogurt into her mouth and it would just dribble back out.... the hospice nurse said, 'oh, yes, they reach a point where they FORGET HOW TO SWALLOW!' (Who knew?! Not me!) So, with trepidation, I (unlocked the hospice's pill safe and) pulled out the liquid morphine (ex-Medical Affairs Director/crew chief for an ambulance corps, and used to teach NY State EMT courses, decades ago... so the hospice nurse trusted me). A drop or two under her tongue -- and the tension receded from her face... Blessed morphine!!
A day or so later, I set her wheelchair by the window, so she had sun on her body but not her face, and went to buy some fancy flavored yogurts to see if they would tempt her to eat. Came back, and she had 'left.' But she left by the GRACE of the 'effects' of a drug that did its JOB of repressing pain; the "side" effect of repressing respiration may or may not have had an effect. I had hugged her before I left, and told her (was she in there? I hope so!) that she did not need to 'hang around' on behalf of her three daughters. She should feel free to go see her dear husband (and mine) and the cats and dogs who has preceded her.
Underdog, I agree completely with your description of the timing and maybe misuse of drugs -- and the100% unconscionable use of mass DNRs! However, you cannot administer drugs that DON'T "do exactly the opposite" -- there is no such drug! As Pierre describes -- it's a fine fine line...
"Underdog, I agree completely with your description of the timing and maybe misuse of drugs -- and the100% unconscionable use of mass DNRs!"
At no point do I talk about DNRs in my article. Can people stop strawmanning my arguments?
"However, you cannot administer drugs that DON'T "do exactly the opposite""
You can't when there's no legal framework nor medical justification for it.
Literally has no marketing authorisation for that use, stated in NICE guidance. I.E. the use of it for that purpose in the UK is illegal. It's not like the US where you can gung-ho prescribe drugs or fudge the domains; UK has tight drug prescription roles. Doctors can lose jobs if they prescribe wrong drug for wrong purpose.
So, no, you can't prescribe drugs that do the opposite (I.E. harm the patient). If they have trouble breathing you don't get a free pass to administer, say, cynanide or in this case, midazolam.
It is not a pro-respiratory drug in any sense. Sedative, antipsychotic, one injection sends most adults to sleep. Care homes are not ICUs, staff are not trained to intubate in care homes, ergo the invented purpose Dr Kory conjures up is totally irrelevant in this context.
No oxygen given, no mention of ventilators used, no ECMO. So no, it's not "fine" and it looks like Dr Kory is worried it is going to make him look bad for advising people join the 'end of life' pathway.
Massive conflict of interest. Still no response from Dr Kory.
His post reads like an attempt at damage control.
"He clearly explained the patients were in ICU on ventilators. They *needed* sedatives so they could be mechanically ventilated!! "
ICU has nothing to do with care homes and is not a rebuttal to the article which relates to care home deaths.
"You should retract your comment... as you are clearly out of your lane!! "
I would suggest your misreadings would imply that you're out of yours. Look at the evidence. Drugs are contraindicated and not marketed for use in those conditions, as UK government admits.
Nothing to do with New York ICU care or their peculiarities.
I know, the ICU shit is a complete red herring.
"READ the article, which clearly mentions his ICU experience in Spring 2020:"
Read the title, which is clearly about UK care homes. His ICU sleight-of-hand is not a rebuttal to the evidence of mass murder in the care homes.
"The fact that you have 9 likes (so far) goes to show how many other misreadings there are."
The 9 likes are from people who have considered the supplied evidence of intentional care home murders to be compelling enough to support my stance. Berating them won't get you anywhere. Ad hominems are not evidence.
PS, here's my rebuttal on the article I supposedly 'misread'.
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/a-rebuttal-to-dr-pierre-kory
Actually, start of thread opens with "Dr Pierre Kory — an American doctor with no first hand UK experience — opined a Substack, seemingly out of guilt, titled [...]".
I like how you cherry pick only one point, and ignore the extensive rebuttals.
The word "exonerate" doesn't appear in the article.
"You and the other “likes” didn’t read beyond the title."
I literally have screenshots of various paragraphs of his article in my rebuttal. Why are you lying and trying to slander me?
I was sat in a UK coffee shop last week and overheard the conversation of two ladies sat next to me. They were nurse auxilliaries talking about their own vaccine injuries. (Post-jabs one had hives all over her body for several months, the other had extreme tiredness for 7 months plus a blood clot in her left calf. They also told me of a 49 year old nurse who died of a blood clot.). I engaged them in conversation. We had a long discussion about the injuries and deaths they have seen since the jabbings begun. What was interesting is what they said about 2020.
They told me that in 2020 the hospital - major trauma centre for West Wales - seemed intent on hospitalising elderly people. By elderly they meant people in their mid-60s and over. They gave an example of a chap in his 70s who came in with a head cut and was hospitalised. He then effectively ended up on 'the Liverpool pathway' - no water, no one to help feed him. The nurses told me that they offered to feed him but were told that they must not as if he choked they and the hospital could be sued. The 2 nurse auxilliaries could not understand why so many elderly people were being hospitalised for things that usually would have seen them treated and sent home.
Make of this what you will. The nurses had their opinion on what was going on. UK laws of libel do not allow me to repeat those views in print.
I can’t say enough how much I appreciate your perspective here. I really value your presence in these conversations and I can tell you really care about people and your craft both! Your continued efforts on all our behalf is so appreciated! 🙏
I’d like to add that it’s possible that the process of dying is unknowable for those not going through it. I would caution against what seems obvious to so many in these modern times, that expressions of agony are the same as suffering while dying. Expressions of anguish are signs that the living person is suffering. I understand the kinds of questions that follow this thought aren’t testable, but I think we should be honest with ourselves. Are we trying to minimize the expressions of agony? Or trying to minimize suffering? Perhaps each dying person knows their situation better than those around them. I know it might be hard as a doctor to prolong your exposure to the signs of agony, maybe even without perceivable benefit, but I hope you can understand that you’re not the one dying.
To all doctors, you should know that patients and their families can tell what you believe about end of life issues by the way you talk, words you choose, tone, etc. It has a significant influence on your future interactions with them. Maybe that’s why some patients push back. Because too many doctors are approaching the care-related tasks like machines working on other machines, rather than humans having an experience with other humans having an experience. Just my two cents anyway.
Dr Kory, you’re a doctor to be admired, so please continue the good work!
The question remains: How did they get this so disastrously wrong?
I can't see anything other than malevolent intent on the part of people like Fauci, Collins, etc. If that intent was not there, there would have been discussions and changes as they saw the terrible outcomes of treatment and vaccines. I honestly have no explanation other than to say this is all satanic. I want to think that there are doctors who are really struggling with the awful decisions they made, but until they admit it, I have no more trust.
Yes, this is exactly what I have been telling people - but I was late to the game with my understanding. My mother, aged 87, moved to the memory care unit of an assisted living facility in Pennsylvania in 2022. In December, COVID was circulating in the facility so all residents were tested. My asymptomatic mother tested positive. As a result, she was left in her room to languish alone. She has Alzheimer’s and needs assistance with all activities. Thankfully, I was permitted to visit her (something that would not have been allowed early in the plandemic) and, a couple of days into her isolation, I could see first hand that she was not being cared for properly. I then spent two days with her trying to get her hydrated, eating and toileted regularly, but the neglect had already begun to take its toll. She became non-responsive and I personally took her to the ER. She was dehydrated, had a UTI and had broken her hip!!!! She has mostly recovered (has difficulty walking now) but I know that if I had not been able to see her that she would have died due to “benign” neglect and she would have been counted as a COVID death (despite never having any symptom of COVID).
Any intentional neglect would add weight to intentional murder. Opposite of a 'care' home for sure.
I'm glad to hear your mother survived this dark time.
Isolation occurred for more than a year. How do you explain the spike only occurring in April 2020 during NICE guidance and the spike in the administration of 3 different shots, and not any of the other months in the 2 years+?
Bingo.
It’s almost like we’re talking about a different disease. Whatever happened there in NYC doesn’t sound or look like “covid.” Or whatever we have now (Omicron) isn’t “covid.”
This is so true! I’ve wondered about this often myself. But I saw the three severe peaks we had and I know what severe Covid looks like. I’ve also had Covid and it really was nothing serious 🤷♀️.
Dr. Kory, I’m a professional registered nurse with 32 years of acute care experience in WI., although I had retired at the time of the Covid plandemic. I’ve seen a lot and have always had a good, respectful relationship with the physicians, surgeons, and staff I’ve worked with. However in the last few years of my career I noticed the impact of government interference in healthcare probably due to the increase of patients on Medicare and Medicaid. Reimbursement to physicians and hospitals were based on criteria that was often unrealistic based on the cognitive status of the patient. There were standards of care developed that took away autonomy from a physician to individualize care with their patients. The staff became burdened with non-patient care focused responsibilities from OSHA that took time and care away from the bedside. One other thing that needs to be said is that the quality of personnel in healthcare has declined significantly in the past couple decades. In many situations diversity has become the driving factor in who is admitted to medical school or into healthcare professions vs the best and brightest. Standards of care have replaced individualized care decisions between a physician and their patients and I think that is due to lack of critical thinking skills, managing costs and reimbursement and hospitals needing to be profitable to survive the competitive environment they’re in, especially small hospitals vs the huge healthcare systems. Finally, the traveling nurse fiasco. It takes at least 6 months of mentoring to be adept at the policies and procedures at a facility not to mention the time to develop a rapport with your colleagues as they see if you’re capable and can be trusted to provide the appropriate care particularly during high patient load times and with acute care patients. To allow the most inexperienced nurses to travel to various facilities and expect they’re going to deliver the same high quality care an experienced nurse can provide in a facility or region they’re not familiar with was a very poor decision. Every travel nurse I spoke with was motivated by one thing, money, and admitted they couldn’t handle the most difficult patients. Generally they were relatively new to the profession, therefore mostly young because they were either single or didn’t have children and were able to drop everything for the opportunity to earn a lot more money than the usual nurses’s salary. Inexperience leads to a lack of ability to make good assessments and decisions particularly during a crisis.
I could go on and on but personally I’m ashamed at the healthcare system and how it failed during Covid and is still failing with many hospitals and practitioners going along with ineffective mandates and protocols while suppressing therapeutics that could have worked. I never saw how corrupt big Pharma was until the past decade. But my eyes are wide open now and I’ll help anyone I can on an individual basis but I’m staying as far away from hospitals and healthcare practices as I can.
One last point, a major difference between WI. and NYC is that most people from WI. have a genuine faith and a trust in God that sadly is missing in many large urban areas.
Thank you for being a truly caring nurse. As I am in my late 60’s I dread the thought of being in the care of most of the younger health workers.
I formed a small group of like-minded individuals in my community that are dedicated to sharing evidence-based information to find the truth and acting on that to help each other in these strange times. I’m also part of a larger group comprised of health care professionals (physicians, nurses, respiratory therapists, etc) who share data and information. I highly respect Dr. Kory but his account of what happened in NYC is not consistent with what I’ve heard from nurses who worked there during those terrible months.
Julie,
Your indepth comment is so insightful & appreciated!
As a retired R.N. myself & who has already commented here l concur with all that you have written. ESPECIALLY the young, traveling nurse fiasco! In far too many situations, it is no longer about care & commitment in the nursing field but only about finances. It is disgraceful. Where l used to be so proud of my profession l am now ashamed. I am so grateful l was able to retire before covid arrived.
God bless!
May God bless you as well! We can share our experience and knowledge with our family members and friends who need us and do our best to stay away from the healthcare system in its current disgraceful state.