Their deaths were a result of the medical community’s hubris and repeated failures, yet shamefully, the parents were blamed as was (nonsensically) RFK Jr.
Dr. Kory and Mr. Siri, thank you for this analysis. I’d like to play devil’s advocate and press on a specific methodological point.
You rightly criticize the lack of inert-placebo controls in the licensing trials for the current MMR-II. However, the foundational research for the individual measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines in the 1960s did utilize inert saline placebos to establish initial safety baselines.
Proponents of the MMR vaccine often argue that placebo-controlled trials were unnecessary for the combination product because each individual antigen had already been validated against an inert placebo.
I am interested in your analysis of this argument. Is it not a fallacy to assume the cumulative safety profile of a combination product can be inferred simply from its individual parts? Furthermore, would a randomized, placebo-controlled trial at this stage be considered unethical, given that the safety of the individual antigens was supposedly already established?
The vaccine proponents always say a saline placebo is unethical, there is no way they want that study. And voluntarily not taking a vaccine as a control group they won’t accept either as it’s not random. And they don’t accept retrospective comparisons, unless of course it’s for something they think sells what they are pitching, like the Covid pandemic of the unvaccinated as an example - meanwhile people were not categorized until 2 weeks after their second shot.
To anyone that is logical with no conflicting interests in the industry the excuses to never compare vaccinated to unvaccinated are obvious plausible deniability tactics.
Thanks, Dr. Kory. I could hardly read through some especially knowing when I was a child everyone got measles!!! Both kinds and lived. I started first grade 1953! I don’t remember one child dying in the schools I attended in KY for 6 years before we returned to our home state Alabama. Also some had measles before they started school. It wasn’t a big deal back then. I think good hygiene, sanitation and clean water made a big difference but didn’t stop us from getting them. It reads like malpractice to me. “Do no harm”! That means little children also. We are worse off with the vaccines. Thanks again for all that is being done to help us be a healthy nation again.
Perhaps if there was a vaccine that protects against medical misadventures then there would be no need for a liability shielded childhood vaccine schedule.
Would it have made any difference if the measles was in a vaccinated child (Recent data shows ~ 92% cases in unvaccinated BUT that means 8% of cases in vaccinated kids indeed occur).
Soooooo... why does the vaccine status make any difference in either case describe here in?
It doesnt. Not one bit.
The vaccine status is being used to deflect the apparent medical malpractice.
Its not the vaccine stupid.
Its the medically mismanaged (very treatable) pneumonia.
We humans require inflammatory, fever producing illnesses during childhood to develop our immunity. I remember in the 1970s and '80s as a Waldorf kindergarten teacher that the few children back then who were vaccinated got strep throat and Scarlet fever, were then put on antibiotics, and were noticeably the sick children every year. The other kids had chicken pox and measles parties and were healthy as can be. With clean water, clean food, and good Plumbing, should we say, measles is not deadly.
Dr. Kory and Mr. Siri, thank you for this analysis. I’d like to play devil’s advocate and press on a specific methodological point.
You rightly criticize the lack of inert-placebo controls in the licensing trials for the current MMR-II. However, the foundational research for the individual measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines in the 1960s did utilize inert saline placebos to establish initial safety baselines.
Proponents of the MMR vaccine often argue that placebo-controlled trials were unnecessary for the combination product because each individual antigen had already been validated against an inert placebo.
I am interested in your analysis of this argument. Is it not a fallacy to assume the cumulative safety profile of a combination product can be inferred simply from its individual parts? Furthermore, would a randomized, placebo-controlled trial at this stage be considered unethical, given that the safety of the individual antigens was supposedly already established?
The vaccine proponents always say a saline placebo is unethical, there is no way they want that study. And voluntarily not taking a vaccine as a control group they won’t accept either as it’s not random. And they don’t accept retrospective comparisons, unless of course it’s for something they think sells what they are pitching, like the Covid pandemic of the unvaccinated as an example - meanwhile people were not categorized until 2 weeks after their second shot.
To anyone that is logical with no conflicting interests in the industry the excuses to never compare vaccinated to unvaccinated are obvious plausible deniability tactics.
Public health has lost so many peoples’ trust.
I believe that having the childhood diseases of measles, mumps and chickenpox enhances the ‘vital force’ necessary for a healthy immune system.
Yes the decline of disease happened way before vaccines due to clean water and sanitation improvements.
https://learntherisk.org/diseases/
Also, the contagion theory of disease is a distraction from other issues such as harmful chemicals or deficiencies.
DDT was shielded from liability when they claimed paralysis was due to the poliovirus.
https://barn0346.substack.com/p/we-are-miseducated-about-our-bodies
Thanks, Dr. Kory. I could hardly read through some especially knowing when I was a child everyone got measles!!! Both kinds and lived. I started first grade 1953! I don’t remember one child dying in the schools I attended in KY for 6 years before we returned to our home state Alabama. Also some had measles before they started school. It wasn’t a big deal back then. I think good hygiene, sanitation and clean water made a big difference but didn’t stop us from getting them. It reads like malpractice to me. “Do no harm”! That means little children also. We are worse off with the vaccines. Thanks again for all that is being done to help us be a healthy nation again.
I think they thought a measles "epidemic" would kill off vaccine hesitation caused by the covid vaxx.
Please, there wasn't an uptick in measles until Biden let in some 30 million people, unvetted.
Perhaps if there was a vaccine that protects against medical misadventures then there would be no need for a liability shielded childhood vaccine schedule.
Would it have made any difference if the measles was in a vaccinated child (Recent data shows ~ 92% cases in unvaccinated BUT that means 8% of cases in vaccinated kids indeed occur).
Soooooo... why does the vaccine status make any difference in either case describe here in?
It doesnt. Not one bit.
The vaccine status is being used to deflect the apparent medical malpractice.
Its not the vaccine stupid.
Its the medically mismanaged (very treatable) pneumonia.
We humans require inflammatory, fever producing illnesses during childhood to develop our immunity. I remember in the 1970s and '80s as a Waldorf kindergarten teacher that the few children back then who were vaccinated got strep throat and Scarlet fever, were then put on antibiotics, and were noticeably the sick children every year. The other kids had chicken pox and measles parties and were healthy as can be. With clean water, clean food, and good Plumbing, should we say, measles is not deadly.
Adequate Vit A is almost universally protective (prophylatic) against a fatal case measels without a secondary bacterial infection.
How much vitamin A?
Right, it's astounding that this is never mentioned to the public. It's almost as if they didn't want us to know!